03-29-2007, 07:25 PM
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I'm trying to get my son in to a National Institute of Health study in Maryland. If we get to go, I will see if we can budget in the museum (I also have to trip-tick it to see). I would value my kids seeing that museum.
Marilyn--I do believe you. I'm not every white person, though. But yes. I have had occasion to (shiver) drive through the south twice (with my eyes freaking straight out front, not looking right or left, and not going one mile of the speed limit) and I can say yes. I believe you.
03-29-2007, 07:39 PM
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Christine Joan
Marilyn220, I know there is a lot of truth and pain in your message. Unfortunately, it takes time for an individual to change and even more time for an entire society to change. I also think that any group of people who holds itself out as having more "rights" than another group of people will find it hard to adjust to a new era where they don't have the same privileges that they had before. You might be right that true equality will only come into being once those who grew up with racism have passed from this earth; however, I don't think that their deaths alone will be enough. I think racism and hatred are passed down from generation to generation and people need to be educated so that they will form a new belief system that does not include racist beliefs or thoughts. Even in LA, one's friends tend to be of the same race. Unfortunately, I don't think racism will stop entirely until each person in this country can look inside his or her address book and see a variety of names there that match a variety of races.
These atrocities against blacks supposedly officially stopped happening in the 70s (maybe), so it's only been 40 years since blacks had to have a bill signed to declare them human beings and have equal rights under the law. It really hasn't been that long for people to get rid of their distrusts (blacks) and biases (whites).
Hopefully, in the next generation or so things will change for the better where a black person can really be "judged on the content of their character" and not the color of their skin as MLK so eloquently put it.
03-29-2007, 08:06 PM
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saying white people shouldn't "talk black" implies racism (the assertion that black people's speech is inferior). no one would have a problem with a black guy jammin out to u2, led zepellin, willie nelson or any other "white" artists; they might think it was strange, but it wouldn't be seen as wrong the way it is when white kids listen to snoop dogg. why is it ok for white culture to try to influence blacks, but the reverse is not? as blacks gain prominence in society and communities become better integrated, their influence on culture as a whole will continue to grow. this is a good thing.
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I think it's great that whites are influenced by the Black culture, but I don't like seeing sagging pants and do-rags on Black kids anymore than I like seeing on white kids. Our Black culture is so rich, there are other aspects that could be a better influence than the "rapper-thug" look, I call it. Sorry, but I don't want my young African American son wearing long white t-shirts and sagging jeans, listening to music that called women b***** and H***. That includes Eminem, who is quite white, singing songs about murdering his wife. It's a negative culture that no kids of any race should be influenced by. Just my opinion.
03-30-2007, 12:11 AM
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To the above poster,
What kind of brainwashing propaganda have you been plagued with? I am neither angry nor amused by your post. I think you need therapy and a lot of hugs. Many blessings and I hope your outlook on Blacks will change as mine have changed about whites. Do not join the KKK it is a cult that brainwashes impressionable souls like yourself.
03-30-2007, 02:46 PM
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Question: how d'ya know when someone is having a bad day, just being rude or is prejudice???
Okay...not that this thread exactly invites levity, but I thought Whatalady and others would appreciate this. A few posts back we were talking about people we have met who have seemd to just not like us on sight, even down to people in front of us on line being given a smile, while we're treated almost with anger.
I gave my story about the male cashier at Ralph's who glares daggers through me every time I get on his line. :P It was a very impassioned and detailed post about the terrible way this man treats me.
Well, NATURALLY, in order for God to prove me wrong, today I start to get on one line (not his--I'm afraid of him!) and wouldn't you know it, he waves me over saying "I'm opening" and OH WAS THIS MAN EVER NICE TO ME.
I mean nice as in a continuous stream of friendly conversation...and complimenting my kids!
LOL! It so figures. Maybe dude reads this forum! ("Oh man, I really p*ssed off that JerZ lady, I better be nice next time...") Just kidding.
So, okay. I vote: Yes, instant dislike can be because of race, on any side. But it can also be from something TOTALLY WEIRD AND OBSCURE that you will never, ever, and I mean ever figure out.
I'm just glad to have come home without crushed bread!
03-30-2007, 04:15 PM
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rap as art: a historical view
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dr. kenneth noisewater
"...why is it ok for white culture to try to influence blacks, but the reverse is not? as blacks gain prominence in society and communities become better integrated, their influence on culture as a whole will continue to grow. this is a good thing."
warning: geeky, philosophical musing ahead!
I'm a history buff, so Dr. Noisewater's opinion rings true. Love it or hate it: Rap/hip hop is a part of American culture.
We can choose to keep our kids from it, just as we can choose to avoid some rock music, video games, etc... All of these can have sexist, racist, or just plain violent content. (Violence/sexism/racism are never suitable for children, IMO.)
In all fairness, Rock or Country sounds bad too, when it is played loudly on the corner, surrounded by kids in bandanas and empty bottles. I've been tempted to egg a few rowdy cowboys in my day...
But throughout history, people loved or hated music that is considered benign (or preferable) today. Jazz for instance, blues, rock n roll-- many adults said these were evil, annoying and distasteful. And not just racist whites but some African Americans. (e.g. religious people; those embarrassed by the negative perceptions it evoked, etc. ). It really wasn't much different than today, in that respect.
For instance, early jazz and blues were thought to be a negative influence on society. But society
wanted to hear it--because we are all part of the
same society--we have affected one another. That is why African Americans have and will always contribute to our musical history--the jewels in the crown, IMO.
Sure, older music sounds much more sedate compared to music today--but everything is more intense today, not just rap. ( i.e hollywood films, TV, video games, even fine art in the loftiest museums). I'm not saying the intense content is
always a good thing--but it is a reflection of our culture...as art tends to be.
I agree that rap (or any music) is not
all great--the violence or sex can seem gratuitous, which IMO takes it down a notch. But all in all, I think rap is as valid an art form as any other music/art/lit. Writers like James Baldwin and Richard Price both pushed buttons: they wrote of things people would want to forget/ignore. Their content could be considered violent and racist...but it was a reflection of what was happening in society. Their work is art.
You personally don't have to like what you see/read/hear. Some of it can be very disturbing or too shallow. (Artists/musicians/writers don't all like each other's work, either.) But, music, in all forms, is significant and it will always evolve. It simultaneously reflects/influences the times (good and bad). That's the nature of art.
(P.S., please don't slay me for my op-piece! I'm house-bound with a bad knee.
)
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03-30-2007, 06:55 PM
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jerz, I am OTFR!!!
good one!
03-30-2007, 07:44 PM
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media--what you see, is what they show you
There's always another side of the coin...
if you can find it.
Here's an African American indie film, made in 1977, that critics say portrays a black family in Watts with beauty, senstivity and honesty...(unlike many films of that era). Yet, it was "lost" until now...
It has since been restored (by UCLA) and will be released soon. I can't wait--it looks brilliant.
http://www.killerofsheep.com/
03-30-2007, 11:34 PM
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Thanks a million
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mover007
There's always another side of the coin...
if you can find it.
Here's an African American indie film, made in 1977, that critics say portrays a black family in Watts with beauty, senstivity and honesty...(unlike many films of that era). Yet, it was "lost" until now...
It has since been restored (by UCLA) and will be released soon. I can't wait--it looks brilliant.
http://www.killerofsheep.com/
Thank you for that link, Mover. I can't wait to see this film. Much love.
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)