Red Sox 2019 (Salem: purchase, compensation, medical)

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Let's see how he does without the Green Monster for 81 games, and without knowing what pitches are coming, and with the laid back California atmosphere. And if he can stay healthy for the full 2020 season.

He's taking an enormous risk. He had an offer for a guaranteed 300 million. Actually 327 million, I think?

Machado, Bryce, Trout = bad contracts (aren't all of the huge ones?)

Trout’s contract was bad. For Trout. Betts is close behind Trout (but definitely behind).

I don’t fault the Red Sox for making a strictly dollars and cents calculation. Betts is probably worth more than the Red Sox are offering him, but frankly a 100 win team doesn’t make that much more for the owner than an 90 win team. If the goal of the Red Sox is to make money for John Henry, this is absolutely a reasonable move.

You just can make so many of those sorts of moves that everyone realizes the ultimate goal of the Red Sox is to make money for John Henry. Blow things up for now, pocket the extra money, and go crazy in a few years when enthusiasm threatens to hurt the bottom line.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by redplum33

300/10 is not low ball or below market.

They offered him a $100m when his estimated market value was $180-200m.

They offered him $200m when his estimated market value was $285-300M

They offered him $290m when his estimated market value was just south of Trout ($350-420m)

Yes, they're offers have been below market. Perhaps they have data or beliefs which the rest of the league does not share, but as it stands, they've been pricing in some degree of risk or decline.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

From the perspective of someone who isn’t a Red Sox fan, this idea that Mookie Betts is greedy is absolutely ridiculous. He turns down 300/10 because he’s worth Mike Trout money (Mike Trout is worth more than Mike Trout money). He will get more than 300/10. I doubt anyone here would take a pay cut so that their billionaire boss can get richer faster. The Red Sox are not a charity.

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I don't begrudge any professional athlete getting the most they possibly can. They have incredibly short careers.

[bohemka]

Betts did the right thing by not signing that offer and wanting to test free agency. The Sox blew it by not trading him at the deadline last year for high-value returns, and I bet that's part of the reason Dombrowski was shown the door. That was the time to move Betts. Not now.

But it's done, and the luxury tax issue is no small thing. Avoiding those penalties will help the roster sooner than you think.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by bohemka

Betts did the right thing by not signing that offer and wanting to test free agency. The Sox blew it by not trading him at the deadline last year for high-value returns, and I bet that's part of the reason Dombrowski was shown the door. That was the time to move Betts. Not now.

But it's done, and the luxury tax issue is no small thing. Avoiding those penalties will help the roster sooner than you think.

Yup, they waited to long, or even perhaps, not long enough. If he had a good year this year (big if), trading him at the deadline this year to a contender, might have resulted in a Mochado type return. Of course, if the Sox were in contention at that point, they wouldn't be able to pull that trigger. They put themselves in a dumb place. But, that's what Dombrowski does. Guts systems and puts you in bad places.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Yup, they waited to long, or even perhaps, not long enough. If he had a good year this year (big if), trading him at the deadline this year to a contender, might have resulted in a Mochado type return. Of course, if the Sox were in contention at that point, they wouldn't be able to pull that trigger. They put themselves in a dumb place. But, that's what Dombrowski does. Guts systems and puts you in bad places.

You know Dombrowski is gone - right?

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by robr2

You know Dombrowski is gone - right?

Yes, what's your point? He put them in this situation and I was specifically speaking to their failure to not trade him prior to the last trading deadline (aka "they waited too long") when he was here. Dombrowski gutted the farm system (which is his MO) and put them in this horrific situation.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

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I don't begrudge any professional athlete getting the most they possibly can. They have incredibly short careers.

Same here. And while us regular folks may scoff at the idea of "settling" for $300 million as opposed to upwards of $420 million, I also wonder how many of us would happily take a nearly 30% "hometown discount" to stay with the company we work for instead of getting market value somewhere else. The fact that he may not get the full $420 million is irrelevant. Even if he only gets $360 million, that's still $60 million (or 20%) more than what the Sox offered.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by lrfox

Same here. And while us regular folks may scoff at the idea of "settling" for $300 million as opposed to upwards of $420 million, I also wonder how many of us would happily take a nearly 30% "hometown discount" to stay with the company we work for instead of getting market value somewhere else. The fact that he may not get the full $420 million is irrelevant. Even if he only gets $360 million, that's still $60 million (or 20%) more than what the Sox offered.

People also lose sight of how pro-athletes are leveraging their capital. Sure, at his income another 60 million doesn't really improve his lifestyle, but we don't know who or what else he might be bank rolling. That 20% may have great utility for reasons which extend beyond Bett's own personal interests.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Yup, they waited to long, or even perhaps, not long enough. If he had a good year this year (big if), trading him at the deadline this year to a contender, might have resulted in a Mochado type return. Of course, if the Sox were in contention at that point, they wouldn't be able to pull that trigger. They put themselves in a dumb place. But, that's what Dombrowski does. Guts systems and puts you in bad places.

With what Liverpool is doing, the Red Sox could hemorrhage money and Fenway Sports Group would still be raking in huge profits. Pictures of the queen on the money instead of George Washington but it's profit. No EPL losses yet. 24-1-0 with 13 matches left to play and a ridiculous 22 point lead over Manchester City. A Red Sox-level Bucky Freakin' Dent home run choke isn't possible since their next 6 matches to clinch are all against weak teams. It's like the Patriots Randy Moss season if some nobody tight end hadn't caught a pass off his helmet from a mediocre quarterback.


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