10-20-2022, 05:07 PM
Location: Newburyport, MA
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matrix5k
Yes these are all quotes without batteries. Batteries are another 15k and 2.2k for a heavy loads panel.
Yes, battery storage cost is quite significant in its own right. If backup power is desired for utility outages, I think you could get a propane-powered standby generator with a transfer switch for half that price. Generac has a 14kW propane generator with transfer switch for MSRP $4.9k.
https://www.generac.com/all-products...h-wifi-enabled
10-20-2022, 05:15 PM
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There are incentives that lower the cost of the battery, I figured from about $15-17k to about $7-8k, but decided to pass for now. While solar technology progress seems to have tapered off I think there’s still a bit more to go with batteries.
10-20-2022, 05:19 PM
Location: Newburyport, MA
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There are incentives that lower the cost of the battery, I figured from about $15-17k to about $7-8k, but decided to pass for now. While solar technology progress seems to have tapered off I think there’s still a bit more to go with batteries.
The only pricing I saw for battery power was something like $8k for 10kWh of storage, which isn't much - that's a modest 2kW for just 5 hours. Heck, a Tesla Model Y Long Range Performance EV has 82kWh of battery. That Generac generator puts out 14kW for as long as you have propane, and it only costs $4.9k.
10-20-2022, 07:51 PM
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The only pricing I saw for battery power was something like $8k for 10kWh of storage, which isn't much - that's a modest 2kW for just 5 hours. Heck, a Tesla Model Y Long Range Performance EV has 82kWh of battery. That Generac generator puts out 14kW for as long as you have propane, and it only costs $4.9k.
I doubt it costs only 5k to have one of those things installed. You need a plumber, electrician and permits. That's at least 10k in the Boston area, if not more. Aren't these things very loud too? I heard one before and it sounded like a snowblower. I'd hate to live next door to one of those running at 3am. At least a battery is silent and you can make some bucks back from it.
10-24-2022, 06:48 PM
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You also have to design the house for a metal roof so you don’t kill people as snow & ice slides off the roof. You have to put doors on the gable ends or build entryway roofs. I destroyed a Weber once not thinking about ice sliding off the roof. You can’t have gutters. You can’t landscape at the edge of the foundation since it gets destroyed. You have to pay attention to parking areas so you don’t total your car.
Snow guards over entrances work fine, and you can have gutters with a metal roof, I have them.
10-24-2022, 06:50 PM
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I had a quote from Invaleon back in March and it was $3.25/watt for me
They said my roof could fit 25 panels max for 5.9kw system and I would have 90% offset. It would have cost around 34k. The other companies said I can fit 32 panels for around 10kw system and the cost was around $43k+, so I'm not sure why it's so different. Tesla is around $29k for a 12kw system.
Woa I paid 26k for a 6.4kw system with high quality all black panels.
10-24-2022, 09:28 PM
Location: Newburyport, MA
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I doubt it costs only 5k to have one of those things installed. You need a plumber, electrician and permits. That's at least 10k in the Boston area, if not more. Aren't these things very loud too? I heard one before and it sounded like a snowblower. I'd hate to live next door to one of those running at 3am. At least a battery is silent and you can make some bucks back from it.
That 14kW generator is rated at 65dB at normal load, and quieter at half load of course - noisier than a battery, but not *that* noisy.
In Mass, the power is not normally out for that long, which is a good thing, because batteries that would carry the house for 24 hrs at 10kW would cost a pretty penny.
How does buying batteries make you money?
10-25-2022, 03:46 AM
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Couple ways through Eversource's SMART program:
1) a little bonus on top of the base compensation rate (10-year program)
2) payment for drawing from your battery during times of peak demand (5-year program)
10-25-2022, 05:26 AM
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Woa I paid 26k for a 6.4kw system with high quality all black panels.
When? Maybe I'll ask them again if prices ever come down.
10-25-2022, 06:16 AM
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I had a quote from Invaleon back in March and it was $3.25/watt for me
They said my roof could fit 25 panels max for 5.9kw system and I would have 90% offset. It would have cost around 34k. The other companies said I can fit 32 panels for around 10kw system and the cost was around $43k+, so I'm not sure why it's so different. Tesla is around $29k for a 12kw system.
I went back to my contract to look and I was mistaken, it was more like $3.04/watt (almost $28k for a 9.2kW system), I was looking at warrantied output rather than the system.
Your quotes were astronomical. I signed the contract at the end of April 2022, so around the same time as you - I'm not sure why the difference is so huge.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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They said my roof could fit 25 panels max for 5.9kw system and I would have 90% offset. It would have cost around 34k. The other companies said I can fit 32 panels for around 10kw system and the cost was around $43k+, so I'm not sure why it's so different. Tesla is around $29k for a 12kw system.
