Population slightly down in MA 2022 (Boston, New Bedford: renting, neighborhood, place to live)

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by Lampert

In terms of gross salaries everything included:
500 employee of BPD made between 120k to 140k, another 500 made 140k-167k another 500 made 167k to 210k 367 made between 210k and 433k 2 made over 1mil 500 80k to 120k roughly 800 made less than 80k, of these about half made less than 30k (probably part time

BPD gross salaries:
2 make over 1 million dollars
367 between 433k and 210k
500 between 167k and 210k
500 between 140k and 167k
500 between 120k and 140k
500 between 80k and 120k
roughly 800 less than 80k with about half of that pulling in less than 30k (part time or something I assume)
So of the roughly 3,300 employees of BPD a bit less than half make over 150k and thee vast majority make over 100k

These are a bunch of non-officer positions.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

New Bedford starts at $51k. An extra 5% for an associate degree. 10% for a Bachelor’s. 12.5% for a Masters. That’s real city police work with gangs and violent crime. That’s the lowest pay of the cities south of Boston. $60k is more typical.

Those education incentive figures are half Quinn Bill level because the state stopped funding it and NB has obviously chosen to not pick up the difference. Not surprising given it's a working class town. The shift differentials and other cash benefits will probably bring that 51K figure up closer to 60 plus. In assessing the salary potential you also need to look at the entire pay scale to get a see how quickly the salary rises once the officer reaches the seasoned journeyman level.

New Bedford area is less costly to live than Greater Boston and will probably continue to attract at least some quality officers wishing to remain in their communities and serve their community by doing real police work. But it depends on how they are treated. The other thin is that these officers can begin their career in a department with lower pay, get academy trained and then lateral to a higher paying department. If that happens too much the agency may choose to up the salaries. They can also take their training to other states and usually need to do just a brief equivalency course in the receiving state to learn the laws.

[Beachcomber4]

Originally Posted by Lampert

Because there is almost none that makes the entry level so it's irrelevant.

When you apply for a job is pretty irrelevant what the base entry level is if you know withing 2-3 years you are going to make double that with overtime.

If you are relocating to an area with an exploding population in an entry level position, affordable housing may be the only way the candidate can afford to take the job.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by Beachcomber4

If you are relocating to an area with an exploding population in an entry level position, affordable housing may be the only way the candidate can afford to take the job.

Most people don't move here these days if they're getting a low salary.

We could argue back and forth on this all day. Most people in MA don't need affordable housing. Would some of them like it ? Sure. But most people get married which makes things easier or they move.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Those education incentive figures are half Quinn Bill level because the state stopped funding it and NB has obviously chosen to not pick up the difference. Not surprising given it's a working class town. The shift differentials and other cash benefits will probably bring that 51K figure up closer to 60 plus. In assessing the salary potential you also need to look at the entire pay scale to get a see how quickly the salary rises once the officer reaches the seasoned journeyman level.

New Bedford area is less costly to live than Greater Boston and will probably continue to attract at least some quality officers wishing to remain in their communities and serve their community by doing real police work. But it depends on how they are treated. The other thin is that these officers can begin their career in a department with lower pay, get academy trained and then lateral to a higher paying department. If that happens too much the agency may choose to up the salaries. They can also take their training to other states and usually need to do just a brief equivalency course in the receiving state to learn the laws.

Sure, but starting base pay is closer to $60k in Fall River and Taunton. New Bedford is really low. Detail work is $54/hour, though. You can make it up guarding the hole.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Most people don't move here these days if they're getting a low salary.

We could argue back and forth on this all day. Most people in MA don't need affordable housing. Would some of them like it ? Sure. But most people get married which makes things easier or they move.

Meh the number of people getting married is like at an all time low. And I'd say a larger number of people Boston and other towns are trying to attract as new hires to these jobs, are younger and single. If the area was so affordable on a starting salary like you claim, then BPD, BFD, BPS, etc. would not be dealing with the severe recruitment issues they have going on right now.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Most people don't move here these days if they're getting a low salary.

We could argue back and forth on this all day. Most people in MA don't need affordable housing. Would some of them like it ? Sure. But most people get married which makes things easier or they move.

If you leave your little suburban bubble, you might learn that less than half of adults in Massachusetts are married. We’ve had the real estate discussion here endlessly that property prices and rental prices are driven by the fraction of dual income married couples.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

If you leave your little suburban bubble, you might learn that less than half of adults in Massachusetts are married. We’ve had the real estate discussion here endlessly that property prices and rental prices are driven by the fraction of dual income married couples.

The solution isn't affordable housing, its get married or get out!

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Sure, but starting base pay is closer to $60k in Fall River and Taunton. New Bedford is really low. Detail work is $54/hour, though. You can make it up guarding the hole.

But how much detail work is really available to a new officer on their first year? I imagine they would have to be fully trained. Certainly not while they are at the academy.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by timberline742

The solution isn't affordable housing, its get married or get out!

this is so true. lol