Bank jobs (car rental, rental, salary)

[teeej]

FYI folks, I threw a resume into one of the Hawaiian banks last night. They called me today for a phone screen. I didn't expect to hear anything because it's been said so many times here that employers only hire locals. I suck at phone interviews, so I do not expect to hear anything, but I would suggest those who interview well try the banks since apparently they are desperate enough to consider folks from out-of-state.

[whtviper1]

Different companies have different cultures about mainland hires. Some will hire and some won't. I always cast the net locally, and if that fails I open up to mainland hires with Hawaii ties, and if that fails, mainland in general.

[CyberCity]

Some employers respond to about all reasonable resumes, and after an initial phone interview, they start the weeding out. I know of one of the car rental companies that does it this way. About everyone gets a "first" phone call/interview. It is not that they are by any means "desperate". It is just how they manage their hiring process.

[teeej]

Originally Posted by CyberCity

Some employers respond to about all reasonable resumes, and after an initial phone interview, they start the weeding out. I know of one of the car rental companies that does it this way. About everyone gets a "first" phone call/interview. It is not that they are by any means "desperate". It is just how they manage their hiring process.

Fair enough, I just remember reading on here that resumes go in the trash if they don't have the local area code.

[OpenD]

Originally Posted by teeej

Fair enough, I just remember reading on here that resumes go in the trash if they don't have the local area code.

That's a generalization which is less and less true every year. On the other hand a mainland return mail address is a definite disadvantage in a lot of situations. Many employers favor local applicants for a variety of obvious reasons, and a few less obvious ones.

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by teeej

Fair enough, I just remember reading on here that resumes go in the trash if they don't have the local area code.

Definitely not Oahu with so many non-808 cell phone numbers. Your address versus phone number is much more important.

[CyberCity]

Advanced course: If you want to get really snoopy (for free) as an employer, you also check out the SS# to see in what state it was issued. Not originally from Hawaii, it will probably be spotted by anyone who checks.

If an employer does not want to hire from out-of-state, it does little good to try and "hide" it in the beginning. Even if you manage to slip through by obtaining an 808 phone and local drop box, they will still learn about it soon enough during the resume/interview process. Really, wouldn't you rather just be rejected up front, instead of later on, if indeed the employer only wants to hire locally?

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by CyberCity

Advanced course: If you want to get really snoopy (for free) as an employer, you also check out the SS# to see in what state it was issued. Not originally from Hawaii, it will probably be spotted by anyone who checks.

If an employer does not want to hire from out-of-state, it does little good to try and "hide" it in the beginning. Even if you manage to slip through by obtaining an 808 phone and local drop box, they will still learn about it soon enough during the resume/interview process. Really, wouldn't you rather just be rejected up front, instead of later on, if indeed the employer only wants to hire locally?

Most jobs - at least with established companies (exception restuarants, gas stations, etc) require you to apply online - and the initial application doesn't require a SSN.

The system my company uses has a Hawaii resident flag when I look at the applicant pool. It is based on address and not phone number. No address defaults to not a Hawaii resident. The pool of applicants defaults to Hawaii residents first - then non-residents. If I flag a candidate for an initial screen, that happens by HR (salary expectations and other general questions) - HR specifically asks right off the bat if the person is a Hawaii resident. Saying no won't disqualify someone right away - but not putting an address on a resume is a red flag. And we don't skype - you fly to Hawaii on your own dime for an interview and if extended an offer, the person is expected to start in 2-3 weeks.

[CyberCity]

Need a Hawaii address? Just spend the few bucks a month to rent a private mail box service, and make use of their mail forwarding services. It can be done online.

But it still does not make sense to me for someone to try to "hide" where they live. As WHV pointed out, even if you make it past HR's point #1, the person at point #2 or #3 is going to figure it out. You'll still end up in the "non resident" stack, if that is a screening criteria.

[OpenD]

Originally Posted by CyberCity

Need a Hawaii address? Just spend the few bucks a month to rent a private mail box service, and make use of their mail forwarding services. It can be done online.

Although this is a popular suggestion whenever this topic comes up, I don't really see the point. Whenever I have been hiring I first do a rough sort of the applications or resumes in front of me, then call my top choices for phone interviews, and invite perhaps the top 5 for a face to face interview within the next few days.

In many corporations there is an additional step before I would even see the resumes, when they are pre-screened by the HR department, and only the top rated ones get passed to me. When there are say, 500 resumes received in responses to one job opening, the very first cut may even be done by computer algorithm, before any humans even set eyes on what you've submitted.

So yes, a "pretend" Hawai'i address could get you past the first gate, but to what end? Let's say I call you on a Tuesday, and we talk, and as a result I ask to see you on Thursday, are you prepared to move heaven and earth to get on a plane tomorrow to be there? And if I decide to offer you the position, are you prepared to show up for work in 2 to 3 weeks?

If not, frankly, you're probably just wasting your time and mine.

Yes, there are a small percentage of jobs in Hawai'i that get filled from the mainland, but for the most part you already need to be in Hawai'i to be considered for a job in Hawai'i. So what's the point of trying to fake it?