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They lost their lives because of their greed and willingness to risk their lives for a dollar. Very different than being murdered by Americans in America, which BTW rarely if ever happens. It is more likely that an American will be by an illegal alien mexican in America.
When the Mexican government calculates statistics such as we're discussing here I believe it includes all persons of Mexican origin, even if they are now legal residents in the USA and even US Citizens. It gets confusing.
The report that was linked above about deaths in the early-mid 2000's does separate some of the deaths which occurred at or shortly after the illegal crossings. It doesn't provide a more detailed breakdown as to the causes of the deaths, other than the mention of specifics for San Diego County in 2004. Unless I've overlooked that information.
Persons of "Mexican origin" are killed in the USA on a daily basis. Many as the result of violent deaths at the hands of criminals. Sometimes these people are innocently killed, while in other instances they've been involved in illegal acts when killed. That's true with many of the terrorist / drug war deaths in Mexico. Many innocent people are being killed, but most have been involved in some way in illegal behavior. I think the number of Mexican "tourists" who are killed in the USA is probably less than the number of USA folks killed in Mexico, but with so much short-time visits across the USA/Mexico border the number could be much higher.
For most of the USA people killed in Mexico in recent years I believe their deaths were caused by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Victims of circumstance. Not targeted killings. Riding a bus when it was robbed and shot/killed in the process. Sitting someplace when robbed, or robbed at home and resisting and then shot to death in a struggle. Also too there are instances where USAers have been killed by persons they knew or with whom they had some sort of relationship. I know of at least one instance where soldiers shot and killed an innocent man driving his car down the highway. War creates these types of circumstances.
Deaths aren't the only gauge of risks when we travel. There are other criminal acts and violence which more often affect tourists. And the risks to tourists tend to most often be different than the risks to residents. Be those residents expats or Mexican nationals.
Below is a link to a map of Mexico detailing areas in which travelers (and residents) are likely at the most risk of encountering problems and in which we should be especially vigilent. If we are aware of and understand the risks we can prepare ourselves so that we have a better visit and/or life in Mexico.
The point is that the rate of murders has increased substantially. Those visiting should not only be aware but even more careful if planning to visit.
"Increased substantially" is very misleading because you are dealing with very low numbers. A 1 to 2 increase is a 100% increase, but you are still dealing with small numbers. 120 out of millions is actually very low and continues to remain low. You should probably stick to posting this kind of stuff over on the illegal immigration forum where you have plenty of people willing to suspend context and intellectual honesty in order to promote stereotypes and discrimination.
Most of the "Americans" killed in Mexico were really in name only -- most had strong ties to Mexico, even dual citizenship, were born in the USA so have the US citizenship, but many even lived in Mexico were Mexican in every way and were involved in the cartels.
The cartels aren't going after innocent American tourists.
Most of the "Americans" killed in Mexico were really in name only -- most had strong ties to Mexico, even dual citizenship, were born in the USA so have the US citizenship, but many even lived in Mexico were Mexican in every way and were involved in the cartels.
The cartels aren't going after innocent American tourists.
This sounds like the best estimation of what is really happening in Mexico.
Yes. We discount their deaths. They were of Mexican "origin" or DNA. Insignificant.
It's not that they aren't significant but we all know that virtually all of these were Americans in name only, they have very close ties to Mexico which is even why they were living there.
Not many typical Americans at all have been killed. Even when Juarez was very bad, no typical American at all was killed there, but yes there were some who were born in El Paso and even living in El Paso who went back home and met their fate.
Another little secret is -- a good number of these "Americans" who were killed in Juarez violence were directly involved in the violence. Remember one of the shootings where a number of people including children were killed? It turned out that one of the gunmen was from El Paso. Not sure if he was a citizen or not but he grew up in El Paso, and later he was found beheaded.
A number of citizens born in El Paso were involved in kidnappings for ransom.
El Ponchis -- the famous 14 year old arrested on his way back to the USA after torturing and beheading his victims was born in the USA. El Barbie (Edgar Valdez Villareal) was also a US citizen - born in Laredo, TX. Seriously do we count him as an American killed in Mexico?
This is so ridiculous, there is a risk ANYWHERE one goes, and of course any country that is foreign there is gonna be some risk. But 120? Really? Thta is so low!!! I wonder how that compares to other countries. And btw for those who say that Mexican citizens in U.S. don't pose a danger. WRONG!!
I always remember that young man from Mexico, here btw as a tourist who was beaten and robbed by gangsters(U.S. born)randomly. It happens everywhere, anywhere just wrong place at wrong time. And to the hmm, person, who said the ones who cross border are greedy and taking a risk, that is pretty low. I'd say more to you but I won't stoop to your level.
It certainly is. According to this research (Note, is not by the Mexican Government) in 2005:
5,176 Mexican citizens lost their lives while in the U.S. 410 of which died trying to cross the border.
So, 4,766 Mexicans lost their lives in the U.S. in that year.
Of those that lost their life while in the U.S., the City of San Diego reports that 14.1% were victims of homicide. If we could extrapolate to the whole number above, then 672 Mexican would have been killed in the U.S. in 2005 alone.
I find this more scaring than the number of Americans killed in Mexico.
You forgot to include the one dynamic that really makes a difference in this forum: American lives are worth more than Mexican lives because those 120 were good people, while the 4700 Mexicans were illegals and drug dealers. That's what the theme of that conversation will be... I imagine. Maybe not outright... but in it's more subtle form it'll come up. Watch...
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