What will be the first suburb to reach 100,000 people?

[west336]

Let's also use some objective statistics here:

1 sq. mi. = 640 acres
2.5 people per unit

4 units / acre = 6,400 psm
8 units / acre = 12,800 psm
12 units / acre = 19,200 psm
15 units / acre = 24,000 psm

The area remaining is all zone for at LEAST 4 units/acre, but mostly 8-12 units/acre.

[srsmn]

Originally Posted by west336

Your maps didn't make lots of sense to your argument, so I didn't look at all of them. Can you name another district or two off the top of your head that may be equally as "impressive" as Apple Valley? Like city and intersection would work fine. I'd just love to see more of these, but the key concept here is urban neighborhood. In other words, if nobody told you where you were and the trees and such were mature, would you know you were in the city or the suburbs? I like that.

My argument? The argument that there are neighborhoods in the
Twin Cities suburbs that are 8,000 psm? And that I don't think this is one of them?

First of all, I doubt your statistics about the number of housing units.

Second of all, I don't think you're projection about 2.5 people per unit is fair, given the significant amount of senior housing in that development.

Third of all, I don't think that that neighborhood looks very "urban", in pretty much any sense of the word.

Really, West, I don't know why you feel the need to call me out and call me names on this. I'm glad you like the neighborhood...I personally don't find it too impressive, though.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by Kid Cann

^^^
you should join the Georgia VS Minnesota thread

Where?

[west336]

Originally Posted by srsmn

My argument? The argument that there are neighborhoods in the
Twin Cities suburbs that are 8,000 psm? And that I don't think this is one of them?

First of all, I doubt your statistics about the number of housing units.

Second of all, I don't think you're projection about 2.5 people per unit is fair, given the significant amount of senior housing in that development.

Third of all, I don't think that that neighborhood looks very "urban", in pretty much any sense of the word.

Really, West, I don't know why you feel the need to call me out and call me names on this. I'm glad you like the neighborhood...I personally don't find it too impressive, though.

2.5 ppl per unit is a standard used to project populations....I didn't make it up myself. I think I provided enough OBJECTIVE data to support why I thought 8K psm is not out of the question. You don't have to like it, but those are at least steady figures to work with. And as I also mentioned, the remaining space is planned for 12+ units per acre, and that multiplies very fast once they start coming in. I just think it's impressive for a Midwestern, Twin Cities suburb in the outer ring....okay?

I have a lot of "urban" experience and I don't need a definition or example of what urban is, I know, I am just making a comparison in relative terms.

P.S....I knew you couldn't stay out of it!

[Kid Cann]

Originally Posted by rcsteiner

Where?

City Vs. City thread under US Forums.

[emcee squared]

Originally Posted by Kid Cann

City Vs. City thread under US Forums.

Perhaps I'll join it, too.

There is no question Minnesota is a thousand times better, though

[Joots]

Woodbury is growing fast. I think it's at 70,000. I wouldn't be surprised if it could reach 100,000 in the next 20 years.

[chessgeek]

I think Bloomington would have to cede a good portion of its vast parklands (about 30% of the city land area) to residential development to reach 100,000. That won't happen. Only other way there would be several more high rise apartments and condos. Don't see that happening there significantly enough to reach 100k, though.

I voted Brooklyn Park as it has affordabilty and a large land area (granted some crime issues in certain neighborhoods, too, compared to other suburbs). Believe Plymouth and Woodbury could also get there first.

[StilltheSame]

Plymouth or Maple Grove- the new home growth is huge.