Do not move here!!!! (Missoula, Kalispell: condo, crime, new home)

[RunningfromCalifornia]

Do people in Missoula hate newcomers and outsiders as much as some say in this thread? Are Californians singled out and given a scarlet letter?

[Heart]

When we moved to Lolo, my native Californian husband was not mistreated....we were in fact treated very nice by the people in our town. He didn't have a problem landing a job in Missoula ...but after dealing with Missoula for so many years I don't understand why some want to come up here. It was so different decades ago...the town has been ruined by urban blight and so much traffic and not enough road. Too many street people...big box stores.. no jobs...high rent...I myself wouldn't live there. We had friends from California that moved up because they thought it was pretty and would be a serene place to live....but they found out they couldn't afford it and was stressed by the over crowding and moved to willits ca

[gfunkerror]

Then it just isn't for you, or your friends. No foul. No harm.

But the rest of us are doing just fine. Traffic is annoying, but not as much as people complaining about the changes happening. It's how things are. In life, in the economy, and America in general.

It is 2015. And the job market has improved. The town is changing from Trailers on lots to Apartment Complexes because the Property Tax and Home Prices are higher than the value. It's Capitalism adapting to the demand of a better place to live.

This place is not for everyone.

But it is for me. So.... bye.

[gfunkerror]

Originally Posted by RunningfromCalifornia

Do people in Missoula hate newcomers and outsiders as much as some say in this thread? Are Californians singled out and given a scarlet letter?

No. Not really. I am sure locals have moments between each other. But over all, people are very nice in Missoula.

[Heart]

Originally Posted by gfunkerror

Then it just isn't for you, or your friends. No foul. No harm.

But the rest of us are doing just fine. Traffic is annoying, but not as much as people complaining about the changes happening. It's how things are. In life, in the economy, and America in general.

It is 2015. And the job market has improved. The town is changing from Trailers on lots to Apartment Complexes because the Property Tax and Home Prices are higher than the value. It's Capitalism adapting to the demand of a better place to live.

This place is not for everyone.

But it is for me. So.... bye.

Actually...the people who complain about the changes are the ones who remember how nice it used to be in Missoula, and it was for us and my family. It didnt change for the better...and you are right, its definitely not for us now as it stands. It was ruined in the same way that Couer d Alene was. I still cant help but chuckle at the wannabe hippies...who have descended in both areas. After living in the real Berkeley...most people leave Ca because they desire to escape the very thing they either run into or create in Montana. The same progressive ideologues and laws that actually destroy places like Missoula. Unfortunately, it is lost to those who once loved it as it used to be, and so your only choice is to stay and try to fight it, or leave and find another place that suits you, and hope progressive policies wont ruin it too. Im glad to hear of the apartment buildings going up...perhaps this will help the growing homeless problem there. Most jobs in the zoo are part time service work.

[Heart]

Originally Posted by RunningfromCalifornia

Do people in Missoula hate newcomers and outsiders as much as some say in this thread? Are Californians singled out and given a scarlet letter?

I just want to emphasize that we were never mistreated....but do take into account that all towns in Montana are different. They each have their own energy...some have really nice folks..some are quiet and keep to youself...some feel more liberal or conservative. I have so far, lived in three different towns and each town and experience has been different. It has also been in my experience that what annoys the natives are those coming out of state...that try to tell everyone how they should do things the way it was done in the place they moved from...or tell hunters they shouldnt hunt...buy up houses and flip them...driving up the cost while natives cant buy homes in the state they grew up in...my in laws had people move down the road from them out in the country...and they put a note in his box to stop target practicing on his own 5 acres because the guns scared the wife. Um, why did you move to Mt then? Things like that....

[historyfan]

"..and they put a note in his box to stop target practicing on his own 5 acres because the guns scared the wife. Um, why did you move to Mt then?"

What??? 5 acres and target practice (other than pellet guns) do not seem compatible unless targets were set into a hill side. Montana hunting law prohibits shooting 1/4*mile from people and roadways for obvious safety reasons.

5 acres in a straight line would be much too close to my house for someone to be target practicing for the sound effects alone even if safety issues were covered.

That is just plain rude. Your in-laws are jerks. That is type of behavior that infringes on others' peace. That is behavior which frosts a long time Montanan & gun owner like me. That is type of behavior that makes people say and think, "Why don't you go back where you came from?!". In Montana we do not think you should have to have a rule about everything because people should have common decency and respect for others. You can be certain if your in-laws were my neighbors more than a note in the box would have been my response. I'd have set up coyote propane fired cannons on a 20 minute rotation beginning at midnight every night for starters.

In Montana small property owners & town residents have always utilized community gun ranges for such gun sighting and target practice. 5 acres psshfftt.

[Heart]

Originally Posted by historyfan

"..and they put a note in his box to stop target practicing on his own 5 acres because the guns scared the wife. Um, why did you move to Mt then?"

What??? 5 acres and target practice (other than pellet guns) do not seem compatible unless targets were set into a hill side. Montana hunting law prohibits shooting 1/4*mile from people and roadways for obvious safety reasons.

5 acres in a straight line would be much too close to my house for someone to be target practicing for the sound effects alone even if safety issues were covered.

That is just plain rude. Your in-laws are jerks. That is type of behavior that infringes on others' peace. That is behavior which frosts a long time Montanan & gun owner like me. That is type of behavior that makes people say and think, "Why don't you go back where you came from?!". In Montana we do not think you should have to have a rule about everything because people should have common decency and respect for others. You can be certain if your in-laws were my neighbors more than a note in the box would have been my response. I'd have set up coyote propane fired cannons on a 20 minute rotation beginning at midnight every night for starters.

In Montana small property owners & town residents have always utilized community gun ranges for such gun sighting and target practice. 5 acres psshfftt.

Targets are set into their hillside. They already spoke to the neighbors when they moved in and were told it was okay to target practice between 1pm and 4 pm once a month when they are gone to town. It's not like my in laws are these selfish thoughtless jerks..... who don't care what others think ... they just up and decided that they didn't want them to practice anymore... even when they are gone.... which I think is ridiculous. And you're going to fire canons for my in laws at midnight? And you're not rude? lol At least my family deals with their issues with some sanity. Jeez!

[historyfan]

5 acres is a large lawn. 5 acres is a residential neighborhood. 5 acres is not a ranch.
For example a parcel of 20 total acres that is 1 acre wide by 20 acres long is straight line length of 1/4 mile. 1/4 mile is minimum comfort level away from another person for firing a weapon.
Creating a gun range on a 5 acre lawn next door to a residence is disturbing the peace.

[kevreg]

Highest city property taxes in the state. Conservatards? Everyone here is from Washington, Oregon, California or back east. Some of us are actually from here. *******s.