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Old 07-22-2012, 07:14 PM
 
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There is no such thing as the Morgantown-Pittsburgh metro area. Mtown is a hour from Pittsburgh's outskirts, so there is no connection between the two. They are close in WV terms, but not really because 75 miles is still a hike.

And everything else you posted is too wrong to begin to argue with you.
Agreed again. There is no such thing as the 'Morgantown-Pittsburgh metro.' You literally have to drive 30-40 minutes to Washington, PA before you even really get into the Pittsburgh suburbs. Greene County, PA which is right above Morgantown is not even considered as part of the Pittsburgh MSA or the Pittsburgh-New Castle CSA. It (along with Morgantown and Mon County, Preston County, and Garrett County, MD) are part of the Pittsburgh media market but that doesn't mean that they are in any way part of the metro area. Hell, Cumberland MD is part of DCs media market and it is 2.5 hours away on a good day.

I just don't get why it is so hard for people to understand..Morgantown is not part of the Pittsburgh area. Neither is Wheeling. Sorry but they just aren't. The fact that people in those areas go to Pittsburgh for shopping, sports, culture etc does not make them part of the metro area. People in Flatwoods go to Morgantown or Charleston for the same reasons but that doesn't mean they are suburbs of either place.

There is nothing wrong with being a successful and nice medium sized college town. That is what Morgantown is. I have never said Charleston is an economic oasis but the argument being presented here is that Morgantown is the primary economic powerhouse and largest population center of the state...that just isn't accurate and pretty much every statistic presented on this thread (and no personal opinion doesn't count) says otherwise.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:22 PM
 
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There is no such thing as the Morgantown-Pittsburgh metro area. Mtown is a hour from Pittsburgh's outskirts, so there is no connection between the two. They are close in WV terms, but not really because 75 miles is still a hike.

And everything else you posted is too wrong to begin to argue with you.
There are one continuos metro area, an area much bigger than your tiny Huntington-Charleston metro area. Not all of the Pittsburgh MSA is part of the Morgantown MSA, but large parts of the Southern Pittsburgh MSA is also part of the Morgantown MSA. It is a REAL metro area, not like your rural MSA, which is not urban or developed at all.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Agreed again. There is no such thing as the 'Morgantown-Pittsburgh metro.' You literally have to drive 30-40 minutes to Washington, PA before you even really get into the Pittsburgh suburbs. Greene County, PA which is right above Morgantown is not even considered as part of the Pittsburgh MSA or the Pittsburgh-New Castle CSA. It (along with Morgantown and Mon County, Preston County, and Garrett County, MD) are part of the Pittsburgh media market but that doesn't mean that they are in any way part of the metro area. Hell, Cumberland MD is part of DCs media market and it is 2.5 hours away on a good day.

I just don't get why it is so hard for people to understand..Morgantown is not part of the Pittsburgh area. Neither is Wheeling. Sorry but they just aren't. The fact that people in those areas go to Pittsburgh for shopping, sports, culture etc does not make them part of the metro area. People in Flatwoods go to Morgantown or Charleston for the same reasons but that doesn't mean they are suburbs of either place.

There is nothing wrong with being a successful and nice medium sized college town. That is what Morgantown is. I have never said Charleston is an economic oasis but the argument being presented here is that Morgantown is the primary economic powerhouse and largest population center of the state...that just isn't accurate and pretty much every statistic presented on this thread (and no personal opinion doesn't count) says otherwise.
It is personal opinion that they are not one MSA. Im sorry but large parts of the Pittsburgh MSA are also in the Morgantown MSA. Not all of it, but lots of it.

Charleston is a nice small town, but I wouldnt call it successful. If the state capital wasnt there, it would be a ghost town, instead of just feeling like a ghost town.

There have been no statistics really provided. Retail data from 2007 is irrelevant, and retail data from 2012 is still irrelevant.

Morgantown is an economic powerhouse for WV. Outside of WV it wouldnt be one but for the state it is the sure leader. Morgantown is also not a large city, but it is the most populated area inside of WV, and part of the second largest MSA in WV after the EP-DC MSA.

I realize people from other parts of the state are upset about the current state of their decaying and declining cities, but Morgantown's growth might be able to help recuse those cities from further decline.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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It is personal opinion that they are not one MSA. Im sorry but large parts of the Pittsburgh MSA are also in the Morgantown MSA. Not all of it, but lots of it.

Charleston is a nice small town, but I wouldnt call it successful. If the state capital wasnt there, it would be a ghost town, instead of just feeling like a ghost town.

There have been no statistics really provided. Retail data from 2007 is irrelevant, and retail data from 2012 is still irrelevant.

Morgantown is an economic powerhouse for WV. Outside of WV it wouldnt be one but for the state it is the sure leader. Morgantown is also not a large city, but it is the most populated area inside of WV, and part of the second largest MSA in WV after the EP-DC MSA.

I realize people from other parts of the state are upset about the current state of their decaying and declining cities, but Morgantown's growth might be able to help recuse those cities from further decline.
No, it isn't personal opinion but that of the US Census Bureau..sorry but they plainly spell out that Morgantown (and even Greene County to the north) is not part of the Pittsburgh MSA or even the expanded Pittsburgh-New Castle CSA. It is what it is.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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No, it isn't personal opinion but that of the US Census Bureau..sorry but they plainly spell out that Morgantown (and even Greene County to the north) is not part of the Pittsburgh MSA or even the expanded Pittsburgh-New Castle CSA. It is what it is.
Yes, census bureau is arbitrary and does not reflect anything, we have already been through this. They use it for tax and voting purposes and since it is crossstate it is excluded. It is what it is, and it is one big MSA.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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Agreed again. There is no such thing as the 'Morgantown-Pittsburgh metro.' You literally have to drive 30-40 minutes to Washington, PA before you even really get into the Pittsburgh suburbs. Greene County, PA which is right above Morgantown is not even considered as part of the Pittsburgh MSA or the Pittsburgh-New Castle CSA. It (along with Morgantown and Mon County, Preston County, and Garrett County, MD) are part of the Pittsburgh media market but that doesn't mean that they are in any way part of the metro area. Hell, Cumberland MD is part of DCs media market and it is 2.5 hours away on a good day.

I just don't get why it is so hard for people to understand..Morgantown is not part of the Pittsburgh area. Neither is Wheeling. Sorry but they just aren't. The fact that people in those areas go to Pittsburgh for shopping, sports, culture etc does not make them part of the metro area. People in Flatwoods go to Morgantown or Charleston for the same reasons but that doesn't mean they are suburbs of either place.

There is nothing wrong with being a successful and nice medium sized college town. That is what Morgantown is. I have never said Charleston is an economic oasis but the argument being presented here is that Morgantown is the primary economic powerhouse and largest population center of the state...that just isn't accurate and pretty much every statistic presented on this thread (and no personal opinion doesn't count) says otherwise.
Nobody said we are part of the Pittsburgh area. We don't want to be part of the Pittsburgh area. What we are saying is we are close enough to Pittsburgh to easily take advantage of what they have to offer there that you can only find in a big city, without having to put up with the Hill District or the Squirrel Hillbillies. In just over an hour, we can go to world class museums, eat at hundreds of restaurants, attend pro athletic events, and many other activities without actually having to live there. It is interesting to note, however, that Morgantown is located just 5 miles from Fayette County, PA which is considered part of the Pittsburgh metro area. So, we are definitely in the Pittsburgh region.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:45 PM
 
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There is no such thing as the Morgantown-Pittsburgh metro area. Mtown is a hour from Pittsburgh's outskirts, so there is no connection between the two. They are close in WV terms, but not really because 75 miles is still a hike.

And everything else you posted is too wrong to begin to argue with you.
Oh, gees. I see you are still at it there, Chris. Face it man... Charleston is a nice small town, but it is literally in the middle of nowhere. We are not in the Pittsburgh metro area, and don't want to be. We are located 5 miles from it (Fayette County, PA is in it). We are close enough to Pittsburgh to easily enjoy the positives of the place without it's considerable negatives. Being in the Pittsburgh region is just fine with us.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:54 PM
 
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Oh, gees. I see you are still at it there, Chris. Face it man... Charleston is a nice small town, but it is literally in the middle of nowhere. We are not in the Pittsburgh metro area, and don't want to be. We are located 5 miles from it (Fayette County, PA is in it). We are close enough to Pittsburgh to easily enjoy the positives of the place without it's considerable negatives. Being in the Pittsburgh region is just fine with us.
We are in a much bigger MSA than Charleston and Huntington combined. We are not reliant on Pittsburgh, but it is much more urban and crowded than the rural Charleston-Huntington area which consist of the small towns of Charleston and Huntington, well actually Charleston is a collection of small towns that makes one medium sized town. In the same area we have over a million. They have 300,000. They think it is big, so cute.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:32 AM
 
Location: ADK via WV
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Oh, gees. I see you are still at it there, Chris. Face it man... Charleston is a nice small town, but it is literally in the middle of nowhere. We are not in the Pittsburgh metro area, and don't want to be. We are located 5 miles from it (Fayette County, PA is in it). We are close enough to Pittsburgh to easily enjoy the positives of the place without it's considerable negatives. Being in the Pittsburgh region is just fine with us.
Your boy Cry seems to think that Morgantown and Pittsburgh are in one metro area

Face what? Facts and the majority of the posters on this thread are on my side in every arguement made on this stupid thread.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:57 AM
 
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Your boy Cry seems to think that Morgantown and Pittsburgh are in one metro area

Face what? Facts and the majority of the posters on this thread are on my side in every arguement made on this stupid thread.
The Charleston posters are, but what an anti-intellectual position. The majority of people in this country don't know WV is a state or that Charleston wv exist. By your logic this makes them right.

They told Galileo the same thing when he said the earth revolved around the sun.

I feel this might be education issue. You should attend a semester at wvu and take a geography class. You might learn something instead of believing BS because other people believe it too.
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