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Sorry, I can't agree with you here... Some folks that I know have been conducting informal polls in Rockingham/Hillsborough counties, mainly at the various rallies (both dem & rep) that have been so common in the last several months. The vast majority of Dem. voters in those polls have moved here from Massachusetts, California, NY & CT, and have lived in New Hampshire for 10 years or less. I notice many posts from left-of-center City Data posters who are also newer New Hampshire residents. In addition, the current dem. controlled state house/gov'na has increased state-level spending at obscene levels.
Excuse me, but I HAVE to quote this from a thread that was closed (dock some reps if necessary, but I need to do this:
Quoted from GregW "The Democrats in New Hampshire have are now closer to the Republican core values of frugal government, fair taxation, pay as you go programs."
I'm sorry Greg, but are you kidding me?? Frugal government??? Have you seen our state budget in the last year?? The 17.5% increase in spending was bad enough-- now we're looking at a possible $250 million shortfall???? What is going on with these CLOWNS that are the majority in our state government?? SHeeesh!!!
October 18, 2008 6:00 AM
CONCORD (AP) — Not surprisingly, upheaval in the economy is causing a larger hole in the New Hampshire state budget — but that could change for the better if measures taken in Washington turn around business earnings.
New estimates predict revenue for fiscal year 2009 will fall $250 million short of original expectations — $50 million worse than Gov. John Lynch estimated just two weeks ago.
Administrative Services Commissioner Linda Hodgdon said Friday the uncertain economy is to blame — especially the inability of businesses to get credit.
Business taxes are the state's largest source of general revenue.
(more here: N.H. budget woes grow)
New Hampshire HAS changed. Look at the budget, the state programs, and the "good for me/good for you" laws that are being passed... I generally try to stay out of the political threads (like the one was just closed before I had a chance to post there) but I've just got to get this typed out before I burst!!!
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Originally Posted by Verseau
I agree completely with BF. The Republican Party has changed a lot, but New Hampshire hasn't. And as I've said before, a lot of people moving into NH from MA are not Democrats, but rather fiscal conservatives who don't like the high taxes in MA. That's why the Merrimack Valley has some of the most Republican-loyal towns in the state.
Remember that at one point in history, all of New England was the stronghold of the Republican Party.
Sorry, I can't agree with you here... Some folks that I know have been conducting informal polls in Rockingham/Hillsborough counties, mainly at the various rallies (both dem & rep) that have been so common in the last several months. The vast majority of Dem. voters in those polls have moved here from Massachusetts, California, NY & CT, and have lived in New Hampshire for 10 years or less. I notice many posts from left-of-center City Data posters who are also newer New Hampshire residents. In addition, the current dem. controlled state house/gov'na has increased state-level spending at obscene levels.
Excuse me, but I HAVE to quote this from a thread that was closed (dock some reps if necessary, but I need to do this:
Quoted from GregW "The Democrats in New Hampshire have are now closer to the Republican core values of frugal government, fair taxation, pay as you go programs."
I'm sorry Greg, but are you kidding me?? Frugal government??? Have you seen our state budget in the last year?? The 17.5% increase in spending was bad enough-- now we're looking at a possible $250 million shortfall???? What is going on with these CLOWNS that are the majority in our state government?? SHeeesh!!!
October 18, 2008 6:00 AM
CONCORD (AP) — Not surprisingly, upheaval in the economy is causing a larger hole in the New Hampshire state budget — but that could change for the better if measures taken in Washington turn around business earnings.
New estimates predict revenue for fiscal year 2009 will fall $250 million short of original expectations — $50 million worse than Gov. John Lynch estimated just two weeks ago.
Administrative Services Commissioner Linda Hodgdon said Friday the uncertain economy is to blame — especially the inability of businesses to get credit.
Business taxes are the state's largest source of general revenue.
(more here: N.H. budget woes grow)
New Hampshire HAS changed. Look at the budget, the state programs, and the "good for me/good for you" laws that are being passed... I generally try to stay out of the political threads (like the one was just closed before I had a chance to post there) but I've just got to get this typed out before I burst!!!
I agree with you Valerie! It is so disgusting how spending has gotten out of control. In fact where ever democrats go big government and spending follow suit. Sadly George Bush who campaigned as a Conservative turned out to be a big spending socialist democrat!
Sorry, I can't agree with you here... Some folks that I know have been conducting informal polls in Rockingham/Hillsborough counties, mainly at the various rallies (both dem & rep) that have been so common in the last several months. The vast majority of Dem. voters in those polls have moved here from Massachusetts, California, NY & CT, and have lived in New Hampshire for 10 years or less. I notice many posts from left-of-center City Data posters who are also newer New Hampshire residents. In addition, the current dem. controlled state house/gov'na has increased state-level spending at obscene levels.
Excuse me, but I HAVE to quote this from a thread that was closed (dock some reps if necessary, but I need to do this:
Quoted from GregW "The Democrats in New Hampshire have are now closer to the Republican core values of frugal government, fair taxation, pay as you go programs."
I'm sorry Greg, but are you kidding me?? Frugal government??? Have you seen our state budget in the last year?? The 17.5% increase in spending was bad enough-- now we're looking at a possible $250 million shortfall???? What is going on with these CLOWNS that are the majority in our state government?? SHeeesh!!!
October 18, 2008 6:00 AM
CONCORD (AP) — Not surprisingly, upheaval in the economy is causing a larger hole in the New Hampshire state budget — but that could change for the better if measures taken in Washington turn around business earnings.
New estimates predict revenue for fiscal year 2009 will fall $250 million short of original expectations — $50 million worse than Gov. John Lynch estimated just two weeks ago.
Administrative Services Commissioner Linda Hodgdon said Friday the uncertain economy is to blame — especially the inability of businesses to get credit.
Business taxes are the state's largest source of general revenue.
(more here: N.H. budget woes grow)
New Hampshire HAS changed. Look at the budget, the state programs, and the "good for me/good for you" laws that are being passed... I generally try to stay out of the political threads (like the one was just closed before I had a chance to post there) but I've just got to get this typed out before I burst!!!
I didn't mean that the state hasn't changed, but rather that people's ideologies haven't really changed (specifically, NH Republicans have maintained a lot of the pre-Bush principles of the party). The fact that the state legislature changed so dramatically in 2006 was due to a backlash against the Republican Party, and that came from Democrats, Independents, and Republicans alike. And I certainly don't think the change in the state legislature was a good one.
As far as your observations on Dem. voters, it may be true in some places, but not everywhere in the state. For example, Cheshire, Sullivan, and Grafton counties have a long tradition of Democratic support among lifelong New Hampshirites. And I'm sure that a lot of the Republicans at those rallies are transplants too.
I BELEAVE IT IS BEING INVADED. I THINK THE BLUE NEEDS TO STAY SOUTH OF THE BORDER.... WE GET BLUE IN THIS STATE AND IT WILL BE RUINED FOREVER.... THE NEW MOTO WILL BE LIVE PAYING TAXES AND DIE PAYING TAXES this is only an opion and should not be closed because of that fact.. i have been told by moderators eveyone is entitled to their and this is mine.
Hate to say it, ol' JFRR, but you're wrong. All my family, friends, and just about everyone I know in NH--all NH natives, are voting for Obama. Not the best example, and anecdotal to be sure, but.. Like lots of folks in NH, they don't ever vote straight ticket--depends on the candidate--and even those who voted Bush in 2004 are all going Democrat.
NH will go Obama, I'd say, and most people are able to see through the whole "redistribute the wealth" and "socialist" gambit McCain has focused on as a last ditch attempt to win.
Sorry.
Maybe, if yr lucky, Sununu will win, but I'd even doubt that.
Better to get used to it, at this point.
But hey, there's always 2012. Maybe Mittens will get the nod then. Or there'll be Palin, whose policies I don't think will ever resonate in NH. Plenty of time to change 'em though!
I think that if McCain had run a campaign similar to the one in 2000, he could definitely have won--I know I would have considered voting for him, but this time--this campaign, no way.
Just saw a UNH poll--Obama 55%, McCain 39%. But, you know, hey, the polls could be wrong. But I doubt it. Not by that much.
you can't always beleave the polls. when you have rouge groups like ACORN involved and so much demecratic fraud going on. i would not beleave any polls. you see what's happening right now with dems not answering qestions when asked during interveiws, you are going to see alot more of that when and if obama is elected. you will be told what to say when to say it. the constitution is going to be changed. obama is just a good sweet talker like clinton was. " i won't raise your taxes" did i do that. take venezuela for instance, this country will be exactly like that. if he doesn't like what the media has to say he's going to shut them down. mccain is not a bush. he's got alot of different ideas. becoming president is not a good place to start on the job training. think before you vote. if you like living in a free country, then you had better pick you canadate wisely
ValC - the 17% increase in the budget was created by putting Republican spending into the budget instead of leaving it "off budget" money to be passed on to Republican Party cronies without legislative review. The money was being spent but it was being hidden from review. Other increases are catching up with decades of neglect of our roads, parks, schools and jails ignored by the Republicans.
I certainly do not believe in unnecessary taxation but I also do not think letting highway bridges rust to ruin with huge replacement costs is cheaper than painting every few years. I do not believe refusing to fund traffic congestion relief in the tourist towns attracts more tourists. I do not believe refusing to fund a traffic light on Rt 102 in Londonderry is cheaper than have a friend killed by traffic. I am frugal but the Republicans in this state have been foolish.
But mostly I do not believe that children unlucky enough to be born in a nearly dead north or valley country town should have to have their futures threatened because they have a woefully underfunded school system instead of monument to excess spending that is the Londonderry High School. All the children of the state, and for that matter the country, deserve the same access to education as the luck kids of the prosperous towns or states.
I have only been in Londonderry for 26 years (not counting the five years or so I lived north of the notch) so I guess that makes me a flatland foreigner. As I have pointed out several times I am a fiscally prudent Liberal and believe strongly that a government that strongly regulates finance to prevent fraud and monopoly provides a system that maximized individual freedom.
I do not believe the government should require either wearing motorcycle helmets while riding or seatbelts while driving. I do not believe in “nanny” laws. I also do not believe the forestry department should spend the money to rescue fools caught in the winter wilderness even if a friend of mine froze to death last year in Franconia Notch. I believe if fools want to take risks they are welcome to do so as long as they do not put children at risk while they are playing. I do not believe it is appropriate for the state Fish & Game to spend their restricted fees on Search and Rescue. If we decide that S&R is needed then it should be supported with “rescue fees” or some other revenue.
I firmly believe that government should stay out of my religion and my gun safe. Neither is any of their business. I will pray, or not, as I see fit. I will own and carry what ever weapon I feel necessary for the task at hand weather it is self defense in my home or hunting moose or bear. I support hunters’ rights to hunt wherever the game is available because I believe, as did our earliest settlers, that the game belongs to everyone (socialism) and not to the landowners.
I could go on, as I have elsewhere, but I think I have made my point. I think that we will get better more efficient government if we elect Democrats than if we continue to elect thoughtless Republicans.
yeah that's cool greg, so you want to spread the wealth, your wealth with all the bums on welfare. your saying you want a preident that get's on the job training. your saying you would love to pay more taxes. your gun you own, you will not be allowed to use it or only in approved areas. you want a dictator like venezuela . where the media only reports what's approved by the government. you want to have a president that has freinds that are racists and crooks and has a crooked group like ACORN in his back pocket and possibly on his pay role. we don't even know we'er going to get a fair election this year with all the fraud going.
JFRR - Read my post. I said nothing of the sort. Your accusations are a list of your fears not my desires.
When it comes to "bums on welfare" I simply submit all the bankers and whiz kid financiers we are bailing out at a cost to the taxpayer of a trillion dollars of government welfare. My extremely right wing town government has already banned shooting in Londonderry except at the range. Try McCain's involvement with the Savings and Loan rip off for fraud. Try our Republican government forbidding any Union construction firms from working in New Hampshire by bid rigging on the I-93 project.
Moderator cut: edited out personal attack - PLEASE remember to attack ideas, not people
Last edited by vter; 10-28-2008 at 08:04 AM..
Reason: edited out personal attack
I agree completely with BF. The Republican Party has changed a lot, but New Hampshire hasn't. And as I've said before, a lot of people moving into NH from MA are not Democrats, but rather fiscal conservatives who don't like the high taxes in MA. That's why the Merrimack Valley has some of the most Republican-loyal towns in the state.
Remember that at one point in history, all of New England was the stronghold of the Republican Party.
I am one of those conservatives who left MA because it was trying to become a socialist utopia. I and at least 7 of my other conservative friends have moved to NH in the last two years.
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take venezuela for instance, this country will be exactly like that. if he doesn't like what the media has to say he's going to shut them down. mccain is not a bush. he's got alot of different ideas. becoming president is not a good place to start on the job training. think before you vote. if you like living in a free country, then you had better pick you canadate wisely
