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Old 05-03-2011, 11:17 AM
 
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Fair Lawn teachers are picketing today.

I don't live in Fair Lawn. But in general, I have a problem with teachers wearing their union t-shirts and bringing other items such as mugs, calendars, etc. into the classroom.

I think that they are subjecting the children to politics unnecessarily.

Keep the children out of it.

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FAIR LAWN — Teachers whose contract expired more than 300 days ago picketed outside Fair Lawn high school Monday morning as students and co-workers arrived for school.


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Ebner was one of about 75 Fair Lawn High School teachers who marched in front of the school at 7:15 a.m. They wore the union's navy blue polo shirts; carried signs that said "Top schools have contracts" and "Still teaching, still no contract," and waved to several drivers who honked as they passed.


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Superintendent Bruce Watson said he supported the teachers' right to protest, but that it is inaccurate to say they have been working without a contract because the conditions of their expired contract remain.


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The union has stepped up its protests in recent weeks, starting with a 300-person demonstration at the district's hearing on the school budget.
That protest was meant to draw attention to a district proposal to outsource some of its custodial jobs.


Watson said the district is moving forward with that plan, which would involve cutting seven jobs and save a reported $246,000 in salaries and benefits.
Since then, teachers have been wearing buttons and union T-shirts to class but holding back on more public protests until the district budget was safely passed.

Fair Lawn teachers start day picketing - NorthJersey.com

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Old 05-03-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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1) Teachers should be dressed professionally at all times. T-Shirts should not be allowed period.
2) If the kids aren't allowed to wear political or religious t-shirts (or shirts that make similar statements) the teachers shouldn't be allowed either.
3) IMO They can do whatever they like outside the classroom (even in front of the school) but IN the classroom NONE of that ****** should be allowed.
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Old 05-03-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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Next they'll be saluting each other to show solidarity with their comrades.

Our children and our future should not be exposed to the NJEA and all it stands for. The NJEA uses our children as shields and hostages while conscripting union memebers money and forcing membership. What's not to like?

No problem with the teachers wearing uniforms, not simply T-shirts. Perhaps yellow coveralls with red piping and their names embroidered on the front pocket with a socialist slogan across the back.

As a taxpayer you just pay the NJEA and have no say as to what teachers are allowed, encouraged or required to do by the union elite.
Just shut your mouth and take the pain. It's for the children.
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Old 05-03-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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are teachers allowed to wear tshirts or polos with logos on them? if so...then no harm. i'd keep it out of the classroom personally. but i have no issues with children being exposed to early civics lessons.
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Old 05-03-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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2) If the kids aren't allowed to wear political or religious t-shirts (or shirts that make similar statements) the teachers shouldn't be allowed either.
the kids and teachers arent on equal footing in a classroom situation. its not appropriate to say "what the kids can do, the teachers should be able to do also."

i would say that teachers shouldnt be allowed to wear union shirts or show any bias politically. of course, education is a liberal indoctrination so parents must take the time to deprogram their children regularly.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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are teachers allowed to wear tshirts or polos with logos on them? if so...then no harm. i'd keep it out of the classroom personally. but i have no issues with children being exposed to early civics lessons.
Come on. You can't equate this with a polo shirt that has a little horse on it.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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1) Teachers should be dressed professionally at all times. T-Shirts should not be allowed period.
Says who? You?

Half the teachers in my school wear t-shirts and jeans Mon-Weds at a minimum. The entire, technology department, science department and ROTC departments to be exact. The science teachers are in the field doing hand on experiments, dissections, etc. Meanwhile the ROTC teachers are leading PT and the technology teachers are working in the shop.

Personally, I am responsible for nearly 1000 gallons of aquaria. If I wore dress clothes while cleaning filters, doing water changes, etc I would need a thousand dollar a month clothing budget.

On Friday I am taking 12 students camping for an overnight academic competition. I don't think I could put up a tent in a pantsuit and heels.

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2) If the kids aren't allowed to wear political or religious t-shirts (or shirts that make similar statements) the teachers shouldn't be allowed either.
Children in public high schools ARE allowed to wear religious or political t-shirts. What they are not allowed to wear is t-shirts with drug or alcohol references on them.

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3) IMO They can do whatever they like outside the classroom (even in front of the school) but IN the classroom NONE of that ****** should be allowed.
That is ridiculous. I did not sign away my first amendment rights when I signed my contract. I have the right to my opinion and to express it in anyway that does not interfere with my job, teaching. If I wear a pink ribbon supporting breast cancer awareness (as I frequently do) it is not remotely distracting. The same goes for wearing a button supporting the local or state teachers association.

The only time these things should not be allowed is when they interrupt the learning environment. Now while I don't own anything promoting the NJEA I certainly have and frequently wear my NJMEA t-shirts (not a union but still an education association/professional group).
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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Come on. You can't equate this with a polo shirt that has a little horse on it.
What exactly is the problem with this? Is it that you hate the union or is it that you think teachers shouldn't be allowed to show their support for any cause?

Are you equally against the yellow ribbon I frequently wear to show support for the troops? If not, why not? What about breast cancer or aids awareness support ribbons? How about the Earth Day t-shirt I wore yesterday? Is that not allowed either?

Or what about a cross? That is certainly a statement about my religious beliefs. Are you claiming I cannot wear a cross in school either? If not why not? Why are my political leanings not allowed in a classroom but my religious ones are?
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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What exactly is the problem with this? Is it that you hate the union or is it that you think teachers shouldn't be allowed to show their support for any cause?

Are you equally against the yellow ribbon I frequently wear to show support for the troops? If not, why not? What about breast cancer or aids awareness support ribbons? How about the Earth Day t-shirt I wore yesterday? Is that not allowed either?

Or what about a cross? That is certainly a statement about my religious beliefs. Are you claiming I cannot wear a cross in school either? If not why not? Why are my political leanings not allowed in a classroom but my religious ones are?
its questions like this that leads to blanket rules where there are no exceptions. that makes it easier. i dont like the idea of a teacher promoting something that i dont support to my child in the classroom. sure, just showing something on a t-shirt isnt much but teachers often dont stop there.

so what i support (in a public school) is a completely non-partisan classroom. it is up to the parents to teach kids politics, morals, etc. let the school be purely for the "facts." yes, that include not advocating for cancer research, the troops, poverty, autism speaks, breast cancer, etc. etc. etc.
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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its questions like this that leads to blanket rules where there are no exceptions. that makes it easier. i dont like the idea of a teacher promoting something that i dont support to my child in the classroom. sure, just showing something on a t-shirt isnt much but teachers often dont stop there.
Your parental rights do not supersede my first amendment rights, meaning you do not have the right to stop someone from expressing themselves. Now your child is absolutely entitled to an education free from a political rant from a teacher and I would absolutely understand teachers being censured for such an occurrence.

That being said, wearing a button, polo shirt, or necklace, with either political or religious overtones does not equate to a "rant".
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