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Yes, it is. It's the other New Jersey. It's the part that I love the most.
I do agree that Northern NJ is a perversion of reality, yes.
Central and Southern... aren't THAT BAD and actually not too horrible, aside from technically being NJ (laws.) I would choose PA myself. More freedom. All of it.
Data on state to state migration flows confirm New Jersey sends more migrants to New York than any other state. Highly-skilled New Jersey workers moving to New York is a far bigger threat to New Jersey's future than New Jerseyans moving to lower-tax but close-to-home Pennsylvania, or moving to Sunbelt states such as Florida and North Carolina with warmer winters and lower cost-of-living.
Different state of residence for former New Jerseyans in 2016 (source US Census):
New York 49,000
Pennsylvania 24,000
Florida 10,000
North Carolina 3,000
Data on state to state migration flows confirm New Jersey sends more migrants to New York than any other state. Highly-skilled New Jersey workers moving to New York is a far bigger threat to New Jersey's future than New Jerseyans moving to lower-tax but close-to-home Pennsylvania, or moving to Sunbelt states such as Florida and North Carolina with warmer winters and lower cost-of-living.
Different state of residence for former New Jerseyans in 2016 (source US Census):
New York 49,000
Pennsylvania 24,000
Florida 10,000
North Carolina 3,000
But how many of the 49,000 to NY and 24,000 to PA are young professionals moving to NYC and Philly? That is the question. Because inevitably most of them will move back to the burbs when it comes time to send the kids to school. And many of those will return to NJ. Real estate can be cyclical like that. I don't know if the Census is able to capture that.
Correction - the right numbers are Pennsylvania 40,000, New York 33,000, Florida 33,000, North Carolina 11,000. So while a lot of New Jerseyans move to New York, the number is lower than I posted. And the numbers moving to lower cost states are higher. Sorry I used the wrong Census data initially.
But how many of the 49,000 to NY and 24,000 to PA are young professionals moving to NYC and Philly? That is the question. Because inevitably most of them will move back to the burbs when it comes time to send the kids to school. And many of those will return to NJ. Real estate can be cyclical like that. I don't know if the Census is able to capture that.
very true. That's what happen to my family. Loved the city but schools sucked. Moved to nj for surburbia life. Now are close to retirement. We aren't moving due to any political persuasion or any other nonsense though. Chasing the sun lol.
Hopefully will buy some thing in Ocean city as a rental investment and snow bird to Florida
Lived in NJ for 58 years, Bergen and Warren Counties (28 years), retired in 2015 and moved to the Philadelphia area to be closer to our daughters. We spend the winters in Scottsdale, AZ. Moving from a rural area to a university town is amazing so much to do when you live in a walkable town. Many restaurants, shops, festivals not to mention the many free concerts at the university. We sometimes do not use the car for a week. King of Prussia mall (largest on the east coast) 20 minutes away, DE the place with no sales taxes is 20 minuets away. We downsized from 2 acres and 3500 sq ft house to a 70'x 140' lot with 1400 sq ft. Taxes went from $12K to $3K, no state taxes on our pensions, 401k, etc. Soooo glad we moved from NJ only thing we miss is good pizza and bagels.
One potential disadvantage of Pennsylvania is the inheritance tax---no tax to surviving spouses but 4.5 percent of assets on transfers to direct descendants and lineal heirs--and higher percentages for more distant relatives.
I moved to Durham, NC in 2015 and have not regretted it for one minute. Yes, summer is hot and there is some, shall we say, interesting wildlife. But you acclimate and everyplace is air conditioned. As long as the electrical grid holds up, I'm fine. For someone like me (liberal, interested in the arts), Durham is ideal. HUGE cultural scene, two major universities, good housing stock, lowish property taxes. The biggest problem here is too much development and the roads not being expanded to accommodate it. I work from home and I am retiring early in 2018 so the traffic doesn't affect me.
I really like the milder winters. Even in the dead of winter, it's still green here. When I fly up to northern NJ, where I used to live, everything is gray. Newark Airport is gray. The Parkway is gray. I-80 is gray. It's all gray, gray, gray. No wonder people are pissed off all the time.
And yeah, you can even get decent pizza. The only thing I miss is good deli.
I moved to Durham, NC in 2015 and have not regretted it for one minute. Yes, summer is hot and there is some, shall we say, interesting wildlife. But you acclimate and everyplace is air conditioned. As long as the electrical grid holds up, I'm fine. For someone like me (liberal, interested in the arts), Durham is ideal. HUGE cultural scene, two major universities, good housing stock, lowish property taxes. The biggest problem here is too much development and the roads not being expanded to accommodate it. I work from home and I am retiring early in 2018 so the traffic doesn't affect me.
I really like the milder winters. Even in the dead of winter, it's still green here. When I fly up to northern NJ, where I used to live, everything is gray. Newark Airport is gray. The Parkway is gray. I-80 is gray. It's all gray, gray, gray. No wonder people are pissed off all the time.
And yeah, you can even get decent pizza. The only thing I miss is good deli.
The Pine Barrens is green all year. Newark? I-80? Not so much.
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