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Old 07-22-2008, 12:02 PM
 
Location: High Bridge
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I don't think either ever really had a chance of winning, do you? Polls never showed them with a significant majority of the votes. However, they both pulled enough from other major candidates to have an outcome in the election...even if it is one that they themselves may have not wanted.
Nader never had a chance....

Perot definitely could have won. Through the majority of the US, Perot garnered between 20 and 30% of the vote, and thats AFTER looking like an idiot by backing out, going back in, backing out, going back in, backing out.... you get the idea.

The fact is, the third party vote was strong. If you were under 50, there was a 70% chance your vote went to Perot (only about 25% for the older crowd, mostly due to the third party opinions you see right here in this thread).

Hell, Harvard did a study on the potential for a three party system based on the Perot vote - so I don't know what polls you're thinking of, but Perot was definitely a major player in all cases.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:13 PM
 
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Nader never had a chance....

Perot definitely could have won. Through the majority of the US, Perot garnered between 20 and 30% of the vote, and thats AFTER looking like an idiot by backing out, going back in, backing out, going back in, backing out.... you get the idea.

The fact is, the third party vote was strong. If you were under 50, there was a 70% chance your vote went to Perot (only about 25% for the older crowd, mostly due to the third party opinions you see right here in this thread).

Hell, Harvard did a study on the potential for a three party system based on the Perot vote - so I don't know what polls you're thinking of, but Perot was definitely a major player in all cases.
He was never ahead in the polls, not at any point.

Are you saying 70% of Amercians under 50 in 1992 voted for Perot? If so, where did you see that stat, I can not see that being true.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Bergen co.
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Which one is better? Both will only do what the lobbies and coorporations tell them to do, none of them has enough backbone to get this country back on the right track. I will vote independent, even if there is no chance he'll succeed
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:27 PM
 
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Which one is better? Both will only do what the lobbies and corporations tell them to do, none of them has enough backbone to get this country back on the right track. I will vote independent, even if there is no chance he'll succeed
But again I have to ask, where is this Independent candidate that's so great and will make a difference? Because honestly, I don't see one out there.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: High Bridge
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He was never ahead in the polls, not at any point.
Sure was...

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Originally Posted by Perot leads Bush and Clinton in CNN/Time poll, May 18, 1992
WASHINGTON - Undeclared presidential candidate Ross Perot was leading President Bush and Democratic frontrunner Bill Clinton in an opinion survey released yesterday, the first poll to put the billionaire in front.

The Time magazine/CNN campaign poll found 33 per cent of registered voters chose the Texas businessman, compared with 28 per cent for President Bush and 24 per cent for Arkansas Governor Clinton.

In a two-way race, Mr Bush led Mr Clinton 38 per cent to 35 per cent.

But the poll of 917 voters found 27 per cent of Mr Clinton's supporters and 25 per cent of President Bush's supporters in a two-way race would back Mr Perot in a three-way contest.
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Are you saying 70% of Amercians under 50 in 1992 voted for Perot? If so, where did you see that stat, I can not see that being true.
Would have, they lost faith, as mentioned, due to the instability of Perot as an actual running candidate. By the time elections came, noone was sure if he was running or not.

Do a search for "The Evolving Third Force " and "The Perot Voter", and/or "Harvard Perot 92"; you'll see the stats.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Back home in Kaguawagpjpa.
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McThrid..... errrr. McCain is just another pawn for the Bush presidency to continue into the next decade. He is just a leftover from the 20th Century. Back in the days when oil was king. America needs to get off the juice. We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars to nations that will blow us off the map if given the chance.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:46 PM
 
Location: NJ
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He was never ahead in the polls, not at any point.

Are you saying 70% of Amercians under 50 in 1992 voted for Perot? If so, where did you see that stat, I can not see that being true.

Stockdale also was Perot's downfall. Remember the debate? How God-awfully painful that was.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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Sure was...





Would have, they lost faith, as mentioned, due to the instability of Perot as an actual running candidate. By the time elections came, noone was sure if he was running or not.

Do a search for "The Evolving Third Force " and "The Perot Voter", and/or "Harvard Perot 92"; you'll see the stats.
Mabye I'm getting old... lol... but I remember 1992 elections well, I volunteered for the Clinton Campaign (are you shocked? LOL) and I know Perot was a force to be reckoned with, but never did I recall seriously thinking he could be "it."

The fact that Perot was in and out and in and out... and there were a whole lot of other things durning his campaign that made people turn on him. (Threats about his daughter's wedding being targeted, etc... nutty stuff...)

I was married the Friday before the Presidental Election... we had a Democrat Bar, a Republican Bar, and an "I just want beer" bar. LOL There was no Independent Bar.... this isn't a joke by the way... I'm insane.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Stockdale also was Perot's downfall. Remember the debate? How God-awfully painful that was.
I actually felt bad for him!
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Stewartsville, NJ
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McThrid..... errrr. McCain is just another pawn for the Bush presidency to continue into the next decade. He is just a leftover from the 20th Century. Back in the days when oil was king. America needs to get off the juice. We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars to nations that will blow us off the map if given the chance.
BINGO! As tahiti would say.."we have a winner here"
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