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Old 10-24-2008, 01:57 PM
 
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Diversity, kitchen knives, water, Seagram's 7, sledge hammers, Lipton tea all have their place with intelligent use.

Labeling something as good or bad is situational. All medications developed to promote health have a lethal dose.

"Everyting in moderation".

Diversity is good and diversity is bad. Prejudice is good and prejudice is bad. It is desirable to inject new perspective for growth. If your not growing your dying. That holds true for institutions, individuals and self segragated enclaves.

Not a surprise that an overwhelming dose of anything produces negative results.
Very well said.

 
Old 10-24-2008, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Hopewell New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Kracer View Post
Diversity, kitchen knives, water, Seagram's 7, sledge hammers, Lipton tea all have their place with intelligent use.

Labeling something as good or bad is situational. All medications developed to promote health have a lethal dose.

"Everyting in moderation".

Diversity is good and diversity is bad. Prejudice is good and prejudice is bad. It is desirable to inject new perspective for growth. If your not growing your dying. That holds true for institutions, individuals and self segragated enclaves.

Not a surprise that an overwhelming dose of anything produces negative results.
Very well put indeed..

 
Old 10-24-2008, 09:09 PM
 
Location: N.E. I-95 corridor
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The diveristy definition and models created and projected nowadays (post Y2K) by both corporate america and the public/govt sectors (i.e. PA NY/NJ, USPS, PSE&G etc) are VERY BAD for AMERICA.

We hear so much now about the concept of "leveraging diversity". About managers given numerical and financial incentive$ for expanding diversity.

Of all the employees nowadays PIP'd for one reason or another what percentage of them are non-minority and how many are of a minority (or protected class status)? I'd say non-minorities (i.e. caucasian males) are the main recipient of 55-80% of PIPs nowadays.

Does anyone know what a PIP is all about?

Individial people should define what "diversity" means to them. The concept of "universal or default diversity" and diversity defined by governments or instituitions is pure crap.

I believe one of the main reasons diversity is pushed and touted so hard is because of litigation and the fear of litigation.

Comments?
 
Old 10-24-2008, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Chilltown, NJ
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Just because an area is not "diverse" does NOT mean the area is racist.

Hooray for assumptions.
Where do I say that a area that is not diverse is racist? That is why I said diversity is not for everyone. You are the one making assumptions.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 01:33 PM
 
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Default Finish asking the question

My question to you would be, please continue the question, Is Diversity a bad thing...for what? Why do you ask? There must be other questions that you have related to this.

I've heard this "theory" that you speak of, and that's all it is, a theory.

I am what you would consider to be a "diverse" person. The daughter of a multi-racial couple. Proud of it. Call if what you'd like- diversity, multi-culturalism, etc. my observation is that these questions really intrigue me because I feel like people are talking about me like I was born yesterday.

Now that they have a "term" for me- diversity,
multi-culturalism, whatever you want to call it, then they can now discuss me. Is that my cue to begin living now? I know have permission? Please.

Guess what? I've been around for a while. Mid-70s to be exact. I appreciate people being so interested in me, but I don't consider myself to be the latest novelty- an Ipod, the newest coffee flavor, etc. as if they can now discuss me because American popular media has finally caught on.

If you open your eyes and ears, I mean REALLY open your eyes and ears, you'll realize that "diversity" is not a new concept whatsoever. What is is the labels and the discussions that swirl around it. And the assumptions, and inferences. To those that think that "diversity" is a bad thing, I would ask them to consider what might be driving their question. It's really more about them than people they consider to be "diverse."

I take issue with "diversity" programs. Why do you need to hire someone to work for your organization whose sole responsibility is "diversity".

That's like hiring someone to be in charge of the
"red hair employees" because it's an important quality and you want to involve your organization in that. It's just ridiculous.

If you want to know about diversity, that consider hiring someone that does not look or think exactly the way you do. Befriend someone you would normally not befriend. Get out of your comfort zone. But I don't certainly consider that "diversity" or "different." I've been doing that all my life.

By the way, there's another term for "diversity". It's called The United States of America. From many, one. Unless you are Native American, you too immigrated here from some place else.

Soon, though, it will be Hispanic Americans asking that question of others. They will be the majority soon.

So then your question will come back again, only this time asked by someone else-

"Is Diversity a Good Thing."
 
Old 10-25-2008, 07:16 PM
 
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Just because an area is not "diverse" does NOT mean the area is racist.

Hooray for assumptions.

That is partially true...but there have been concerted efforts by governmental and private entities to keep certain people out of neighborhoods simply because of their ethnic/racial/religious origin.

It's that history thing again........
 
Old 10-25-2008, 07:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kracer View Post
Diversity, kitchen knives, water, Seagram's 7, sledge hammers, Lipton tea all have their place with intelligent use.

Labeling something as good or bad is situational. All medications developed to promote health have a lethal dose.

"Everyting in moderation".

Diversity is good and diversity is bad. Prejudice is good and prejudice is bad. It is desirable to inject new perspective for growth. If your not growing your dying. That holds true for institutions, individuals and self segragated enclaves.

Not a surprise that an overwhelming dose of anything produces negative results.

When is prejudice good?
 
Old 10-25-2008, 09:27 PM
 
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When is prejudice good?
When it's against something benign (ice cream flavors, filtered vs non-filtered cigarettes etc.) or against certain behaviors, beliefs or attitudes that violate one's sense of morality (porn, marital infidelity, thug glamorizing entertainment, etc.), it's perfectly acceptable.

When it comes to impeding another person's rights to the pursuit of personal, material and emotional well being (job, type of home, number of children etc), it's not acceptable.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 09:30 PM
 
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When it's against something benign (ice cream flavors, filtered vs non-filtered cigarettes etc.) or against certain behaviors, beliefs or attitudes that violate one's sense of morality (porn, marital infidelity, thug glamorizing entertainment, etc.), it's perfectly acceptable.

When it comes to impeding another person's rights to the pursuit of personal, material and emotional well being (job, type of home, number of children etc), it's not acceptable.
Are the examples in the first sentence examples of prejudice or bias?
 
Old 10-25-2008, 09:40 PM
 
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Are the examples in the first sentence examples of prejudice or bias?
Honestly? Either one works for me in this thread.

Admittedly, my prejudices lean towards images, behaviors and attitudes that may be in conflict with the values that my wife and I try to live by and choose to instill in our son.

Off the top of my head, I'm more attentive to so-called appearances and/or attitudes. Ethnicity or skin color mean little to me other than watching something about it on the History Channel.

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