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Old 02-26-2009, 08:11 PM
 
Location: NJ
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About 80% of your property taxes are school taxes. The issue in NJ is that, since billions of dollars are funneled each year to urban districts due to Abbott, the state cannot aid local districts like most states. Couple that with the power of the NJEA, and local communities are saddled with huge debt loads they have to fund nearly 100%.

If you get rid of Abbot and - hopefully - distribute state money fairly to suburban districts (where the money is coming from anyway!) local school boards will not need to tax the community nearly as much.

You also need to reduce state spending and employee benefits, as well as end "pay to play" contracts, and that will help too. A governor cannot summarily cut property taxes, as the state does not levy such taxes directly. The taxes are determined by the local communities via the local governing body and school board. If THOSE boards do not have to pay as much to provide services, the property tax will naturally come down.
but he doesn't say that..........................................

maybe i'm just jaded...but i won't believe the bolded until i see it........

let me ask this...as I've asked Christie supporters...say Lonegan is elected....what would a successful 4 yr term look like?
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Exactly... the people kicking in 0% are recieving 99% of the benefit
while I understand what you're saying, I do think there's an exaggeration there. I'd venture to say I use more in services than a retired senior living in an assisted living facility on a fixed income and lord knows I pay a hell of a lot more than they do.

But whatever. I'm NOT talking about people who pay ZERO, neither is Steve Lonegan. He, and I, are talking about WORKING CLASS POOR. People we all rely on, hard workers who don't make a lot, but earn an honest living. They're the ones who will be "blamed" if he or Christie don't get elected, yet they have not been given any incentive to vote for them.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:27 PM
 
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I like most people (unless you're born into wealth) started out poor, went to school, and worked hard to move up the ladder. It's called personal responsibility. Everyone needs to live within their means and stop asking for the government for handouts.

Another thing, Cost of rental housing for working poor is sky-high b/c of oppressive property taxes, which are ultimately passed on to the tenant
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:38 PM
 
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He managed to win Mayor in a town that went 66% for Obama and Lautenberg. The people paddling the canoe are getting sick of the dead weight bogging down this state IMO. I hope Lonegan wins.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:43 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I like most people (unless you're born into wealth) started out poor, went to school, and worked hard to move up the ladder. It's called personal responsibility. Everyone needs to live within their means and stop asking for the government for handouts.

Another thing, Cost of rental housing for working poor is sky-high b/c of oppressive property taxes, which are ultimately passed on to the tenant
what does this have to do with Steve Lonegan and what he stands for?

Why doesn't he impose a flat tax that doesn't raise them for anyone?
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:45 PM
 
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He managed to win Mayor in a town that went 66% for Obama and Lautenberg. The people paddling the canoe are getting sick of the dead weight bogging down this state IMO. I hope Lonegan wins.
did he lower property taxes in bogota?

do you know how he plans on abolishing abbott, or is merely saying it enough?
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Compared to many NJ towns, New York City taxes seem like a relative bargain!
Why are they so high? I mean, California has expensive Real Estate, but the property taxes have lower rates. New Jersey has values that are above the national average and higher rates to go along with it.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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did he lower property taxes in bogota?
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Using the political definition of the word, yes. He reduced the rate of growth.

My property taxes have increased 50% in 5 years. At this rate they'll double every 7 years.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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do you know how he plans on abolishing abbott, or is merely saying it enough?
Sure, if the Abbot districts aren't cutting it, he proposes giving those kids vouchers to go to a school of their choice. Abbot districts are already getting more per pupil funding than my town or yours. If they cant do the job, let that funding flow to someone/somewhere that can.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Ocean County
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As mayor, Lonegan (and the local governing body) doesn't really have much to do with the final cost of property taxes. Municipal services, especially in efficiently run towns, cost very little - about 20% of your property taxes. The schools take up about 80% of your tax bill, and before you go blaming your local school board, they have VERY little discretionary spending powers. About 90% of their budget is contractually dedicated before they even begin looking at it.
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