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Why don't you guys go down there for 20 minutes and find out for yourself? Don't worry you won't get arrested.
If you think it's a bunch of illiterate college students then you're sorely mistaken: 9/11 rescue workers, independent music artists, independent journalists, activists of all ages, and regular pissed off citizens are what make up this group.
Maybe the fact that there are so many young people tells you what its like to be a college student/recent grad in a plutocracy where corporations have bigger voices than citizens, and where taxpayer money is repeatedly given to major players in the power structure when they make a boo boo, whereas if an ordinary person gets hurt and has no insurance, they lose their job and can't afford their medical bills. Hmmm, freedom? For who?
So what is it they expect or want to have happen, for the government to pass laws saying that stockboys should start making $15 an hour minimum and cap financial sector income at $95,000? I am really not understanding what it is they want.
There are many issues which are being narrowed down, but a few major ones are: end corporate personhood, make banks and other large corporations pay their fair share of taxes, tax the top 1% at a higher rate, cut the military budget, etc.
To me these are not revolutionary ideas, which shows how far we've come as a society where these things actually need to be demanded.
I for one, am blaming the entire financial industry and lillylivered politicians of BOTH parties for getting rid of Glass Steagall, the bill put together after the Great Depression to guarantee we would not have to go through that horror again.
I also blame those who lobbied for Nafta and Cafta. It seems as though businesses are legally to be treated as individuals when it comes to contributing to political coffers but not be held as traitors when they lay off thousands of American citizens and ship jobs overseas or import cheaper labor.
What better place to protest than at the heart of our financial center?
I did see it on tv news and heard about people around the country sending money into neighboring food purveyors to feed those poor people. There is support all over the country for these folks. Everyone is hurting.
And the sick thing is, the very people who created this calamity are still in power. Thanks, BO.
This is probably the most accurate critique of what went wrong with our financial system. It's a sad but unfortunate fact that both parties have destroyed our it. I find it surreal how people can demand more government de-regulation when that is precisely what got us into this mess in the first place. There's a reason why the Sarbeans-Oxley Act of 2002 was passed (with support and opposition from both parties) and I am furious that there are people even now who want to rescind it. Next time Washington wants to repeal something, it should be the Grover Norquist pledge, which nearly every Republican congressman has signed promising never to raise taxes under any circumstances.
I'm not crazy with the people in charge on Capitol Hill, but I'm having a hard time understanding the accusations that our president is a socialist when he wants to raise taxes on the rich. OK, so what does that make Eisenhower? Because when he was president, the rich paid not 30 or 35 percent - they paid 90 percent. When the wealthiest hedge fund managers take home $900 million and get taxed at 15 percent - that's right, 15 percent - something's very wrong here. I'd like to think that those who protested here have some knowledge of this and are attempting to share this with others.
There's plenty of blame on both sides of the political spectrum, but lobbyists have done their part too and IMO lobbying should be illegal in this country. There is absolutely nothing noble or patriotic about what these people do - they are traitors as far as I'm concerned and should be handled as such. Next time this group decides to organize they should do it on K Street in Washington - it would arguably be more effective.
There's plenty of blame on both sides of the political spectrum, but lobbyists have done their part too and IMO lobbying should be illegal in this country.
Why don't you guys go down there for 20 minutes and find out for yourself? Don't worry you won't get arrested.
If you think it's a bunch of illiterate college students then you're sorely mistaken: 9/11 rescue workers, independent music artists, independent journalists, activists of all ages, and regular pissed off citizens are what make up this group.
Maybe the fact that there are so many young people tells you what its like to be a college student/recent grad in a plutocracy where corporations have bigger voices than citizens, and where taxpayer money is repeatedly given to major players in the power structure when they make a boo boo, whereas if an ordinary person gets hurt and has no insurance, they lose their job and can't afford their medical bills. Hmmm, freedom? For who?
Or that these kids are little rich kids trying to be revolutionary. Seems most are hippies or young kids looking for a fight. I agree that some of the police violence looks bad but they are capturing these incidents AFTER the fact. How do we know what happened before they started taping? A lot of them are trying to sit down and cause a scene, well then you will be removed. You can't block streets, that infringes on OTHERS rights.
Most of the kids from Columbia and NYU aren't working or paying their own way so you can't complain about taxes when you don't understand them. This whole protest seems like a reason to start fights but they have no clue what they are rallying against.
Or that these kids are little rich kids trying to be revolutionary. Seems most are hippies or young kids looking for a fight. I agree that some of the police violence looks bad but they are capturing these incidents AFTER the fact. How do we know what happened before they started taping? A lot of them are trying to sit down and cause a scene, well then you will be removed. You can't block streets, that infringes on OTHERS rights.
Most of the kids from Columbia and NYU aren't working or paying their own way so you can't complain about taxes when you don't understand them. This whole protest seems like a reason to start fights but they have no clue what they are rallying against.
Little rich kids hitchhike from San Fransisco to protest in NYC? Non-violence has been the motto from the very beginning.
If you think peaceful young girls who are already penned in by the NYPD are infringing on others rights and mace is justified - then I just don't know what to say.
What you guys don't realize is that the social revolution is over. This is the new regime after the 1960's social revolution and the revolutionaries -driven primarily from the banking sector- are now in charge. Since the population is completely under control via social engineering and voluntarily carry around an electronic pacification device (TV, smart phones, I-pods, I Pads, I-phones, porn) there is no worry of the population resisting anymore as people readily accept more and more subversion without even being aware of it.
When people were protesting in the previous generations for more freedom they were actually constructing their own cell. You can do whatever you want now as long as it involves some degenerate sexual act or consuming some type of media. As far as the political system they have it down pat. The trajectory goes two ways. The democrats give you degeneracy in the form of contraception, birth control or sexual license for various unnatural sex acts. The republicans give you usury in the form of war debt or less regulation so the banking industry can further loot the middle and working classes with their casino-like finance industry. When they tap out you are the one who picks up the debt.
Since the population by en-large neutralized/weakened/spiritually dismantled by individualism and 12 hours a day of raw-sewage like media consumption very few put up a fight. The reason that the 1960's protest movement got so much support from the ruling class and is lionized in the history books is that these protesters were helping to seal their own doom by dismantling the system that protected them. These useful idiots (extremists that serve the interest of cultural revolutionaries) were dismantling the moral law in public life. Now that the "acien regime" (the moral law as expressed through Christian life) is dismantled in the western world the ruling class has no use for these protesters: the useful idiots of the 1960s have become the idiots of the current generation.
When the moral law held sway there was a right and wrong. We are now in an age were there is only strong and weak. The strong bankers are able to loot the working and middle class of their money by hostile corporate takeovers or by moving work to Oriental sweatshops or by annexing trillions in bailouts. The strong mothers are able to kill their weak babies in the womb because the mother is stronger than the helpless baby. Oil rich countries are bombed/decapitated and have their oil annexed because they are weak. With a wealth of social engineering tools at their disposal all of these moral wrongs can appear to be right when every TV channel parrots the ruling class line along with the schools and the employers.
It is all pulled off because people love their self-centered degenerate life. As long as they have an iron-clad control over media, and have the ability to issue more debt nothing is going to change as the minds of the people become more an more neutralized while their living situation becomes more and more one of self-centered isolation. While I commend these people for rightly identifying Wall street bankers as the locus of ruling class control. As time goes on the population can only become increasingly morally debased while financially exploited there is no way the ruling class is going to champion these protesters like the hippies of the Vietnam era. These protesters are looked at by the ruling class as an unwelcome insect and swatted by their police thugs post-haste as displayed in the attached video.
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These protesters are looked at by the ruling class as an unwelcome insect and swatted by their police thugs post-haste as displayed in the attached video.
Mainly because, when you get down to it, that's exactly what they are. If their protests turned into a nationwide epidemic, they'd be memorialized as heroes. There's no middle ground for them.
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