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Old 06-18-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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Wrong. The facts are the opposite.
Working-class people never support anything they feel might be socialist.
I find that hard to believe. Please post a link to back up your claim.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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I find that hard to believe. Please post a link to back up your claim.
"A link" ? You really are not up on any of this.

This is widely known, to the extent that it would not be examined. The first person to point it out was Marx himself, who discussed the difficulties of reaching the working class. If you mean ghetto-babble informed by OWS, well, that's not really left at all - as was already established. Otherwise ...

"A link." Yikes. I assume you are looking for some study or something. You could probably google this and 1.7 billion mentions will emerge.

On the other hand, if I am being awarded this "claim," well, that cannot be bad !
It's just funny, that's all. Actually, I appreciate the naïveté.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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This.

Socialism is a despicable ideology that has no place in America.
Don't worry. History has proven that true socialism doesn't work. The man is too egoistic.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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Don't worry. History has proven that true socialism doesn't work. The man is too egoistic.
Exactly. The smartest thinking of the future will incorporate the best aspects of a number of different things. Given what you term "egoism," what might also be termed bad character, careful regulation will always need to play a significant part.

I do not at all agree that this integration has already happened in America. The veneer over the same-old (and worse) has simply grown more ... impenetrable; invisible, perhaps.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Exactly. The smartest thinking of the future will incorporate the best aspects of a number of different things. Given what you term "egoism," what might also be termed bad character, careful regulation will always need to play a significant part.

I do not at all agree that this integration has already happened in America. The veneer over the same-old (and worse) has simply grown more ... impenetrable; invisible, perhaps.
True socialism will never work because there is absolutely no incentive what-so-ever to work hard if the government is going to provide for your every need.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend."--Margaret Thatcher
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Old 06-18-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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Europe is a dying continent. Socialism has killed the drive/innovation that once made Europe great. Secondly Europe has BIG, BIG problems as most of their immigrants are Muslims who refuse to assimilate which will cause incredible problems there and likely civil war in the near future. By 2035 Sweden will be 50% Muslim- simply unbelievable. The riots there are nothing at all like what we've ever seen here in America. You should read "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer. Bawer is a gay American who moved to the Netherlands because he could not stand Christians in America. He soon found out that the Muslims in Europe are a real and legitimate threat to Western Civlization as we know it.
The latest riots were pretty tame, some cars burning and mostly teens and children out on the streets. No casualties. Nothing compared to the LA riots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfxzeXR8QqA

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Old 06-18-2013, 07:14 PM
 
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"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend."--Margaret Thatcher
I like "The problem with socialism is there's always someone with less ability and more need."
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:12 PM
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Here's what George Orwell thought socialism envisioned:

The Socialist objective is not a society where everything comes right in the end, because kind old gentlemen give away turkeys. What are we aiming at, if not a society in which 'charity' would be unnecessary? We want a world where Scrooge, with his dividends, and Tiny Tim, with his tuberculous leg, would both be unthinkable... At the risk of saying something which the editors of Tribune may not endorse, I suggest that the real objective of Socialism is not happiness.

And then what follows is more idealistic than I would have expected out Orwell.

Can Socialists Be Happy? by George Orwell
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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The latest riots were pretty tame, some cars burning and mostly teens and children out on the streets. No casualties. Nothing compared to the LA riots.


Immigrant riots in Sweden.A girl laughing and shouting "Allahu Akbar, police run!" - YouTube
Good point.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:26 PM
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The latest riots were pretty tame, some cars burning and mostly teens and children out on the streets. No casualties. Nothing compared to the LA riots.
Americans riot(ed) harder:


Sublime - April 29, 1992 (Rodney King riots) - YouTube
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