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There's a major problem with higher education in general in this country. Costs too much and gets you increasingly less ROI. Obviously it's going to be the most pronounced at the higher end and more specialized forms of education, like law or medicine, but even the cost of a basic bachelors degree from a nothing-special school has spiraled out of control.
Have people been considering studying overseas instead? I looked at the fees in St. Andrews where P. William & Kate studied and it looks much lower than US colleges even for non-EU residents, as long as one does not take frequent trips home. Tuition in Vienna and Madrid also seem cheaper.
Have people been considering studying overseas instead? I looked at the fees in St. Andrews where P. William & Kate studied and it looks much lower than US colleges even for non-EU residents, as long as one does not take frequent trips home. Tuition in Vienna and Madrid also seem cheaper.
As with medicine not all states welcome international degrees in fact IIRC some make it very difficult.
That being said know of at least one attorney who graduated from NYU who has practiced both in the United States, France, and Belgium.
tv shows glamorizing hot shot tom cruise vs. random army bigshot guy role? oh yeah. that and matlock. back in 2008 i was going to apply to law school but realized it was a scam (if tuition were cheaper, then no, it would be ok). go to webcam sites and see girls doing sex work with JDs. they can't find work and they make more there. every june, lawyers graduate. what do you think happens? hundreds of thousands of new cases and jobs automatically show up? also, who in their right mind would pay 300 an hour for a lawyer unless it was a serious emergency? you can do most of the work yourself thanks to the internet. at least the basic stuff. go on forums, research cases, etc.
you guys also forgot indians who do law work that is routine. often you can get a guy in america with a JD and license who goes back to his third world country, asks for half his wages, and then works overseas. once he trains his monkeys on how to do the work, he just sits back and supervises while collecting dough from american firms. he then checks over the work to ensure all is up to snuff. outsourcing has also affected law, not just IT. this is why the work i do requires your physical presence. i also do a line of work that people hate.
law school is not about losing its shine. you can only have so many lawyers. other trades are far cheaper to get into and live a better life. who likes working 80 hours a week? just yesterday, 300 or so ppl. died in that plane crash. imagine if you worked all those hours your whole life or most of it hoping to retire. it's all over. i have no idea how people let their youth disappear and hope they can live well one day. no one is promised tomorrow. no one mentions the normal 60 hour workweeks and lost time with family, or if you don't like kids or a wife, your hobbies.
regarding that black men and med. school article - well yeah, be thankful black men are even alive. their fathers are absent and we should expect them to go to med. school? most are lucky if they have never been to prison. as soon as you mention lack of parenting and a strong household for support, you are marked as politically incorrect. why? the article never mentions this once. it goes into stats of all kinds. pathetic. life isn't about stats. it's about life. things like having my dad at home, my mom take care of and support me.
What are you rabbiting on about? Tom Cruise? Matlock?
It was television shows like LA Law, The Practice and a few others that put a "shine" on the legal profession. Well at least working in a large urban and glamorous prestigious partnership. You also had shows though not about law per se one or more of the main characters were attorneys and lead pretty good lives. Will from "Will and Grace" was a good looking and apparently successful gay male attorney in NYC. Then you had "Girlfriends" where action often centered around several characters who were attorneys or worked in the same law firm.
Bottom line is if one has the drive and intellect there is much one can do with a law degree that will bring fame and or a good to very living. Once again not every attorney is part of a large partnership "white shoe" or not.
Again many private businesses, state and local governments, public authorities, public utilities, hospitals, and so forth employ in-house legal counsel and or consultants. Attorneys that work for the MTA for instance can make very good money as a steady salary and also have bennies.
What I dont get is with debt involved in getting a law degree, the low pay and then putting up with the sleazy politics of the profession what is the draw to it? This poor guys story shows all you budding attorneys what you are up against.
like every thing the media puts out it always skews things to the extremes. there are still plenty of law firms that are hiring and paying big bucks.
the money and bonuses once you are hired are excellent. like every profession including engineers , you have lots of competition for the jobs but the better jobs are still out there.
i work in the engineering field and while starting pay for engineers at our company are at the lower end there are still loads of companies that do pay more.
there will always be those that land the better jobs and those who don't but that is true in every field.
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