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Many wealthy Orthodox Jewish households on the UES and UWS solve the problem of Sabbath by having non-Jewish help. Thus it is the maid who turns things on or off which deals with that problem.
IIRC some NYCHA housing projects in Brooklyn and other apartment complexes with high numbers of Orthodox Jews have installed various "Sabbath" devices such as elevators or switches. This was done either by pressure/court order and or out of the landlord's good will.
Since religion is a protected class laws not only require anti-discrimination but IIRC fair accommodation must be made as well.
Many wealthy Orthodox Jewish households on the UES and UWS solve the problem of Sabbath by having non-Jewish help. Thus it is the maid who turns things on or off which deals with that problem.
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Yes, they are called Shabbos Goys. Not supposed to have them, and it goes back to the interpretation of their Rabbi to do so.
For orthodox Jews, it's not exactly about "not using electricity" - it's about not starting a new flame or light, which would be creating something new on the Sabbath, the day to rest from creating fire or light.
That's why if you walk through an orthodox home on a Saturday, you might see light switches taped to the "on" position late Friday afternoon, so nobody in the family forgets and turns it off. If so, they can't turn it back on until Sabbath ends. Refrigerator lights get unscrewed so the door opening and closing doesn't cause that light to come on. And lots more examples.
Other ways to keep food warm, without using a hotplate, include leaving the crockpot on "warm" for 24 hours, or putting food into a thermos, or leaving a big soup-pot on the stove top with lowest possible light.. but not removing that pot from the stovetop.
Keeping a heating pad "on" for 24 hours (more or less) satisfies the requirement, but can be unsafe. When a food pot is finished/empty, it's removed to be washed, but the heating pad stays on. It's too easy to forget and lose track. Then, anything that blows across it -- a paper napkin, curtain hem, anything really - can ignite. If the heating pad or kitchen itself has faulty wiring, all the more frightening.
Ovens that can comply with Sabbath rules can be bought. But they aren't cheap.
Let's see, if smoke makes it go on then it is considered to be igniting a flame. If it starts chirping for whatever reason, then one can't press the button to shut it off. The UO have been known for twisting their own rules before and this doesn't make it much different. So I've created a thread in Judaism, so this type of situation can be discussed there.
Okay, that would for sure be against "pikuach nefesh" (the necessity to save a life/that life comes before any mitzvah-Jewish law), to take the batteries out of the smoke detectors.
It also should be noted that not only the ultra-Orthodox use hotplates on Shabbat, but also modern Orthodox Jews do as well.
Many wealthy Orthodox Jewish households on the UES and UWS solve the problem of Sabbath by having non-Jewish help. Thus it is the maid who turns things on or off which deals with that problem.
Ah, then it's easy. Keep a pet and have the pet press the buttons
According to Nigro, hot plates are often used by Orthodox Jews to heat food on the Sabbath, when they are barred by religious restrictions from operating their stoves. The hot plate in the Sassoon home malfunctioned at some point, starting the fast-moving blaze on a surface in the kitchen.
this is why I have a problem with this religion crap.
cant operate a stove?????? who makes up these retarded rules......
terrible, because of this religion rule, several children have died.
terrible
Okay, that would for sure be against "pikuach nefesh" (the necessity to save a life/that life comes before any mitzvah-Jewish law), to take the batteries out of the smoke detectors.
It also should be noted that not only the ultra-Orthodox use hotplates on Shabbat, but also modern Orthodox Jews do as well.
And this is why I opened a thread in Judaism to discuss this situation. Fwiw the principle of preservation of life, pikuach nefesh, has limitations. The individual whose life is to be saved must be a specific, identifiable individual, rather than an abstract or potential beneficiary.
No where in this thread did I say only Ultra-Orthodox use them.
According to Nigro, hot plates are often used by Orthodox Jews to heat food on the Sabbath, when they are barred by religious restrictions from operating their stoves. The hot plate in the Sassoon home malfunctioned at some point, starting the fast-moving blaze on a surface in the kitchen.
this is why I have a problem with this religion crap.
cant operate a stove?????? who makes up these retarded rules......
terrible, because of this religion rule, several children have died.
terrible
Who makes up these retarded rules? Modern Rabbis who interpret 39 rules written in an old set books called the Talmud.
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