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Old 10-12-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Who's going to hire an almost sixty year old who can barely move and misses a
lot of work?
One need not be sick and weak to be in that condition. A friend of mine worked as a legal secretary for the same firm for 28 years. By her upper 50's she was making $85,000/year. She was let go and her replacement, much younger was being paid slightly over half of my friend's salary.

She won't work full time again because as soon as she reports her honest last salary she will be judged "overqualified." Has there ever been a stupider term? Imagine how lucky we would be to get a president who was "overqualified."

So for her, it's part-time, or short term temping to pay the rent and buy food until she hits 62 and can get SS. When between short term gigs it is withdrawals from her 401K that keeps her afloat.
Fortunately she has a VERY nice rent-stabilized apartment
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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One need not be sick and weak to be in that condition. A friend of mine worked as a legal secretary for the same firm for 28 years. By her upper 50's she was making $85,000/year. She was let go and her replacement, much younger was being paid slightly over half of my friend's salary.

She won't work full time again because as soon as she reports her hones last salary she will be judged "overqualified." Has there ever been a stupider term? Imagine how lucky we would be to get a president who was "overqualified."

So for her, it's part-time, or short term temping to pay the rent and buy food until she hits 62 and can get SS.
This is outrageous.
It is also illegal in some European countries, perhaps all.

Perhaps we might learn something from them about social stability for all rather than for just those few with millions.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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This is outrageous.
It is also illegal in some European countries, perhaps all.

Perhaps we might learn something from them about social stability for all rather than for just those few with millions.

Age discrimination is illegal in the United States and by some local statues as well. However as with other discrimination cases it is very difficult to prove.

Right now in NYC you have no idea the number of persons >50 or even 45 that basically are unemployed because of their age.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:37 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Age discrimination is illegal in the United States and by some local statues as well. However as with other discrimination cases it is very difficult to prove.

Right now in NYC you have no idea the number of persons >50 or even 45 that basically are unemployed because of their age.

I certainly do have an idea. I made the comments for that reason.

Unfortunately, age discrimination is essentially unprovable.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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I certainly do have an idea. I made the comments for that reason.

Unfortunately, age discrimination is essentially unprovable.
Stand corrected and yes you are right.

Well not totally difficult to prove, just that only those who want to engage in the practice have been schooled as to how to go about it and not suffer the consequences.
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Old 10-12-2015, 03:25 PM
 
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We can bring this on home in just a few paragraphs.

Unlike other countries with national pensions along with vast state run social programs the United States basically only offers seniors Social Security. Even then they must qualify based upon an employment earnings record (or that of a spouse), and that determines what they receive.

In Europe the widely held belief is that there is an economic floor which no person regardless of circumstances should fall. You don't find much if any of that on the USA federal level and even in vast welfare states like New York it varies.

Problem for American seniors is that Social Security was never designed to be the sole source of retirement/old age income. Those who have other assets/savings/investments/pensions do well enough with SS. Those that don't have such things and or must make what little they do last the rest of their lives are going to have problems.

New York City has always had a large population of renters. There is nothing wrong per se in living in rental housing all one's life but when you consider a person's home (as in owned house) is the largest retirement savings most Americans have, you can see where renting perpetually gets you. In most instances renters generally tend to be poorer than homeowners.

Ironically RC and RS are part of the problem for many middle-aged and elderly. They cannot afford to live elsewhere as market rate housing costs too much, but often their current rent (even when controlled) eats up large portions of their monthly income. Many of the middle-aged and above persons you see roaming UES/Yorkville, LES, UWS, etc... digging through rubbish bags for food or whatever are *NOT* homeless. They live nearby in RC/RS apartments. Digging though garbage is their "relief valve" in that it provides free food they otherwise couldn't afford.
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Old 10-12-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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No, the RICH hate welfare and taxes...and the rich make the laws.
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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No, the RICH hate welfare and taxes...and the rich make the laws.
Have said this before and now am doing so again; this "hate" of taxes and or welfare the so called rich are supposed to have here in the USA stems from the Protestant Work Ethic.

PWE teaches a person's lot in life is largely a result of their own efforts. If you are lazy, a spend thrift, poor planner, etc.. then your lot of being "poor" is God's plan in life or whatever. In no circumstance however should "their" money be used to fund (or reward) such a life hence the aversion to taxes and welfare. Both are viewed as wealth redistribution something early Protestants abhorred.

Yes, Protestants like Catholics built and or ran charitable institutions for the "poor". But the former believes suffering on earth will bring rewards in the afterlife. That and hoarding and or going after worldly riches will keep you out of heaven. Protestants have no such quibbles. The believe God's blessings are bestowed here on earth and are shown in rewards of hard work, proper planning, etc... They help the poor but it is more along the lines of "help yourself but don't take too much" and "this sort of thing mustn't happen too often".
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:14 AM
 
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Have said this before and now am doing so again; this "hate" of taxes and or welfare the so called rich are supposed to have here in the USA stems from the Protestant Work Ethic.

PWE teaches a person's lot in life is largely a result of their own efforts. If you are lazy, a spend thrift, poor planner, etc.. then your lot of being "poor" is God's plan in life or whatever. In no circumstance however should "their" money be used to fund (or reward) such a life hence the aversion to taxes and welfare. Both are viewed as wealth redistribution something early Protestants abhorred.

Yes, Protestants like Catholics built and or ran charitable institutions for the "poor". But the former believes suffering on earth will bring rewards in the afterlife. That and hoarding and or going after worldly riches will keep you out of heaven. Protestants have no such quibbles. The believe God's blessings are bestowed here on earth and are shown in rewards of hard work, proper planning, etc... They help the poor but it is more along the lines of "help yourself but don't take too much" and "this sort of thing mustn't happen too often".
Oh except money gets redistributed all the time in the form of tax credits/corporate welfare. A producer who makes a film in NY could film a film here for one million dollars and get tax credits from the state of NY up to $250,000 to $300,000. Other types of businesses like the tech sector got huge tax credits to set up shop here. Penn South and other co-ops exists as affordable housing for middle class people (but they were aimed at whites, not racial minorities).

The US had a big class of Blacks they could use as scapegoats and they used that to push back the movements here that would have further increased the social safety net.
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:44 AM
 
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It really depends on where you live and when you got the hole in the wall. The City can not kick out people like that. They have to trick them out of there wages. I hear that Op. People like myself might not have a place to live if I do not have a nest egg in the end. Thansk for the heads up.
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