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Old 12-11-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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The issue isn't that healthcare costs were rising, the issue is that Obama repeatedly lied about premiums going down by up to $2500 per family over and over and over and over and over and over. Just like "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan". The exact opposite of which happened in both cases.

Here, take a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

But nope, that couldn't possibly be the reason people think he's a lying sack of crap.
Just like Trump promisies to bring manufacturing jobs back to rust belt cities. And uses his carrier "deal" that kept 800 jobs but still lost 1300 to Mexico. Policitians lie to sell a dream and most importantly it's impossible for everything to be in the best interests for everyone. That's just not how life works.

Everyone doesn't have the same story with healthcare. "Obamacare" as repubs like to call it is actually healthcare plans that many people don't know is "Obamacare", half of them don't even know they have an "Obamacare" plan even some trump voters. In some instances some people's healthcare actually did go down and 16 million people now have healthcare that didn't. Is the ACA perfect, no. Do I think President Obama expected it to go more smoothly, yes. But healthcare is based on capitalism, until we have a single payer healthcare system these problems will continue to occur. People are living longer and medical issues are rising due to obesity. We needed a plan along time ago but the healthcare companies and pharmaceutical companies are benefitting from unregulation.
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:00 AM
 
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Just like Trump promisies to bring manufacturing jobs back to rust belt cities. And uses his carrier "deal" that kept 800 jobs but still lost 1300 to Mexico. Policitians lie to sell a dream and most importantly it's impossible for everything to be in the best interests for everyone. That's just not how life works.

Everyone doesn't have the same story with healthcare. "Obamacare" as repubs like to call it is actually healthcare plans that many people don't know is "Obamacare", half of them don't even know they have an "Obamacare" plan even some trump voters. In some instances some people's healthcare actually did go down and 16 million people now have healthcare that didn't. Is the ACA perfect, no. Do I think President Obama expected it to go more smoothly, yes. But healthcare is based on capitalism, until we have a single payer healthcare system these problems will continue to occur. People are living longer and medical issues are rising due to obesity. We needed a plan along time ago but the healthcare companies and pharmaceutical companies are benefitting from unregulation.
He is the President elect, and the fact that while not yet sworn into office he KEPT 800 jobs in this nation is significant, and it is not the only thing he has done. He has gotten other companies to keep jobs in the nation as well, all LONG before Jan. 20th.
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:11 AM
 
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Umm that's all based on perception. President Obama wasn't running for a third time, and despite Hilary's experience she was nowhere near as charismatic and had far more baggage. And also It's pretty common in history for back to back party presidents to follow up with the opposite party winning. People don't realize that the presidential election isn't the only political event they should care about. All the "forgotten" and poor citizens that feel neglected under president Obama administration doesn't realize the congressmen they vote for, mayors, senators, all play a role in their living standards as well as their own decisions and fault.

A huge reason that trump won (the electoral college) as he did not win the popular vote is that many democrats stayed home and or voted third party or write ins. Bernie could have easily won against trump, because he would have got democrats out to vote especially those same people who were tired of the same ole same ole.

Trump winning wasnt a slight to Obama, it was expected with all the hate he received meanwhile he was a pretty good president overall. But many trump voters just didn't want a black man and his family in the office anyway so their vote was never going to Hilary, a woman. Even as painfully obvious how unqualified trump and pence are.

The irony in all of this is, they ended up electing the same ole same ole just in a different wrapper. It's funny how the qualifications of President, the Leader of the free world, the most powerful Man in this country has so little qualifications for some people. Meanwhile same people who say no political experience can't get a job because they lack the experience and qualifications needed for certain jobs. You wouldn't want a doctor without experience or a lawyer without experience in charge of your life. But someone how the most powerful leader in the world is considered to be such a minuscule job, that's anyone born a US citizen is enough. And like you said he can appoint anyone he wants and that speaks volume for his administration and drain the swamp message
Based on the US constitution which does NOT stipulate any requirements, Trump being elected is FAIR, and him appointing who he wants is FAIR. Yes, ANYONE born an US citizen is ENOUGH.

Look at Hillary's experience. 30 years of experience, and the woman could not read her own e-mails, or abide by the state department's rules on using the internal e-mail server for classified. Not only did she illegally set up her own server, she also gave Huma Abedin access to her classified e-mails (Huma printed them out and read them to Hillary). So Hillary's campaign was dragged down for MONTHS with this scandal. This was extremely poor judgement on her part (knowing her enemies in the Republican party were desperate to dig up dirt on her). So please tell me how someone this incompetent is "qualified" to be President. You don't become President based on your resume. You give a sales pitch to the public, and convince enough voters to get enough electors to become President.

And you make it seem like Trump came off the street. Degree in business from the University of Pennsylvania. CEO of a real estate development company. Reality tv show host and executive producer. Among other business interests. He has done a lot in his life.

The US constitution did not say you had to previously hold elected office to be President, as noted in theory any native born US citizen can become President. But of course money and connections are a limiting factor. I don't think the corner drunk or homeless guy can get his message out in the media to enough people to get on the ballot.

But I don't think you're upset about "qualifications". We all know certain things under Trump will be cut, including funding to certain professions that tend to be full of socialists. We all know government money held together "liberalism" and without that you have no base for liberalism. Which is why you detest Trump working to preserve quality private sector jobs (you'd rather people be on welfare or on some government funded job).
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Old 12-12-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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Just like Trump promisies to bring manufacturing jobs back to rust belt cities. And uses his carrier "deal" that kept 800 jobs but still lost 1300 to Mexico. Policitians lie to sell a dream and most importantly it's impossible for everything to be in the best interests for everyone. That's just not how life works.

Everyone doesn't have the same story with healthcare. "Obamacare" as repubs like to call it is actually healthcare plans that many people don't know is "Obamacare", half of them don't even know they have an "Obamacare" plan even some trump voters. In some instances some people's healthcare actually did go down and 16 million people now have healthcare that didn't. Is the ACA perfect, no. Do I think President Obama expected it to go more smoothly, yes. But healthcare is based on capitalism, until we have a single payer healthcare system these problems will continue to occur. People are living longer and medical issues are rising due to obesity. We needed a plan along time ago but the healthcare companies and pharmaceutical companies are benefitting from unregulation.
Trump is not even a President yet but he did more than Obama did in 8 years. When has Obama stood up for the people that voted for him? He says he wants higher paying jobs but he never attempted to stop companies leaving or outsourcing. The reason BREXIT or Trump happened because people like you who have blind faith.

The ACA has to be revised because it made Insurance companies into Cartels. The smaller ones either pulls out or get bought out by big ones then the big ones jack up rates on people who aren't subsidized by the govt. So you are left with some paying next to nothing but a lot of people and companies have to pick up higher premium costs. It provides no competition and allows insurance to set rates on their own.
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Trump is not even a President yet but he did more than Obama did in 8 years. When has Obama stood up for the people that voted for him? He says he wants higher paying jobs but he never attempted to stop companies leaving or outsourcing. The reason BREXIT or Trump happened because people like you who have blind faith.

The ACA has to be revised because it made Insurance companies into Cartels. The smaller ones either pulls out or get bought out by big ones then the big ones jack up rates on people who aren't subsidized by the govt. So you are left with some paying next to nothing but a lot of people and companies have to pick up higher premium costs. It provides no competition and allows insurance to set rates on their own.
Huh president Obama has created millions of jobs, unemployment is DOWN. President Obama was able to win a second term due to the auto industry bailout in rust belt cities that saved jobs.

Do you guys even know facts or just have selective memory? After that first sentence I stopped reading.
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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Based on the US constitution which does NOT stipulate any requirements, Trump being elected is FAIR, and him appointing who he wants is FAIR. Yes, ANYONE born an US citizen is ENOUGH.

Look at Hillary's experience. 30 years of experience, and the woman could not read her own e-mails, or abide by the state department's rules on using the internal e-mail server for classified. Not only did she illegally set up her own server, she also gave Huma Abedin access to her classified e-mails (Huma printed them out and read them to Hillary). So Hillary's campaign was dragged down for MONTHS with this scandal. This was extremely poor judgement on her part (knowing her enemies in the Republican party were desperate to dig up dirt on her). So please tell me how someone this incompetent is "qualified" to be President. You don't become President based on your resume. You give a sales pitch to the public, and convince enough voters to get enough electors to become President.

And you make it seem like Trump came off the street. Degree in business from the University of Pennsylvania. CEO of a real estate development company. Reality tv show host and executive producer. Among other business interests. He has done a lot in his life.

The US constitution did not say you had to previously hold elected office to be President, as noted in theory any native born US citizen can become President. But of course money and connections are a limiting factor. I don't think the corner drunk or homeless guy can get his message out in the media to enough people to get on the ballot.

But I don't think you're upset about "qualifications". We all know certain things under Trump will be cut, including funding to certain professions that tend to be full of socialists. We all know government money held together "liberalism" and without that you have no base for liberalism. Which is why you detest Trump working to preserve quality private sector jobs (you'd rather people be on welfare or on some government funded job).

Lmao I'm sorry denial is a obviously a strong suit for people. Most of trump supporters are poor, I have a home, a well paid job I love and don't feel any animosity to this system that so called is rigged (as if this country hasn't been benefiting white Men since the start). He can appoint who he wants and people have every right to critic and call it for what it is. Free speech right? Since perserving the constitution is the top priority for people like you. Too bad Trump can't take criticism without running on Twitter attaching people such as the Union president for the carrier workers.

When president Obama bailed out private sectors such as the auto and banking industries. Republicans couldn't complain enough. The irony. Good luck!
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:28 AM
 
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Just like Trump promisies to bring manufacturing jobs back to rust belt cities. And uses his carrier "deal" that kept 800 jobs but still lost 1300 to Mexico. Policitians lie to sell a dream and most importantly it's impossible for everything to be in the best interests for everyone. That's just not how life works.

Everyone doesn't have the same story with healthcare. "Obamacare" as repubs like to call it is actually healthcare plans that many people don't know is "Obamacare", half of them don't even know they have an "Obamacare" plan even some trump voters. In some instances some people's healthcare actually did go down and 16 million people now have healthcare that didn't. Is the ACA perfect, no. Do I think President Obama expected it to go more smoothly, yes. But healthcare is based on capitalism, until we have a single payer healthcare system these problems will continue to occur. People are living longer and medical issues are rising due to obesity. We needed a plan along time ago but the healthcare companies and pharmaceutical companies are benefitting from unregulation.
At least Trump is TRYING to help American workers. Unlike Obama, who sits idly by while companies fire American workers and replace them with foreigners in violation of the H1B laws. Obama had time to do a 'beer summit' because he stuck his nose where it didn't belong, but the Americans at Disney who were fired last year and had to train their foreign replacements didn't get the same attention. He had time to force gender-neutral bathrooms on states that didn't want it, but the Americans at California Edison who were fired and replaced with foreign workers last year didn't get the same attention. He had time to circumvent the Constitution and Congress and provide lawbreaking illegals with a reprieve, but the tens of thousands of American workers who are continuously being forced out of their jobs IN AMERICA and replaced by foreign workers brought here as cheap labor didn't get a thimbles worth of concern from Obama. That's what you don't get when you go to bat for Obama. He spent all his time on ideology, but didn't have time to actually look and see what Americans were actually concerned about.

As for your nonsensical and uninformed comments about the ACA, 90% of Americans ALREADY had health insurance, yet he rammed through his BS healthcare law that the fracking idiots in Congress didn't even read before they signed. And who is paying for it? AMERICAN workers and American businesses. And you have the nerve to claim that 'some people's healthcare actually did go down'. How much of a sycophant can you be? Take a look at the average premium increase in each state (Here) and tell me about how many handfuls of people saved $50 vs the millions of people having their premiums go up by $300. NONE of which, might I remind you even comes close to Obama's lies that the passage of his law would result in reductions of $2500.

Thank God most of his nonsensical executive orders can be overturned on day ONE with a stroke of Trump's pen. The rest will take time, but he'll get to it.
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Old 12-13-2016, 02:05 AM
 
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He's going to start paying us extra to compensate for the fact that NYC was a sanctuary city for his own wife, Melania Trump, who worked here illegally without a visa.
She also lied about having received a university degree back in her home country. She attended for about a year and then dropped out, but still said she had graduated.

The pair of them are liars.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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"Obamacare" sucked because that was the most that could be wrung out of this capitalist/quasi-fascist government. It was clear that people wanted a single payer government-run system but insurance companies owned too many of "our" senators who vote as they are instructed by their donor-owners.


So really, perhaps the failed system, and it is a rotten failed system, should be called "McConnellcare" or "Kaisercare?"
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why is the city obligated to provided protection for Trump? Could the city withdrawn any police protection since it's not getting reimbursed?
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