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Old 03-03-2017, 07:26 PM
 
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I'm aware.
I was responding the poster who said that things like such would never happen. They routinely do.
The expectation on government caretaking here is an anomaly to most of the United States.
I know many people who are taken care of by the government in the rural South where my family is from and where I lived on and off for years.

Via the VA (veterans) or via SSI and medicaid. Or if they had enough credits, medicare.

Lot of fan people in the rural South, and high rates of diabetes and high blood pressure. Many end up disabled and medicaid and medicare takes care of that.

Of course when people get old and sick, unless their rich the government will be stepping in.

You may end up in a nursing home paid for by the government yourself, unless you're very well off.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:32 PM
 
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Diseases don't wait to strike us until we have a perfect career or have things in our lives perfect. Major illnesses like cancer can strike whenever.

There's no reason to bring politics into a situation where someone lost their job. He needs medical coverage plain and simple. For those of you seeking to politicize this, suppose you become majorly ill and find yourself UNABLE to work long term? You'd have no choice but to apply for disability and use medicare.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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Diseases don't wait to strike us until we have a perfect career or have things in our lives perfect. Major illnesses like cancer can strike whenever.

There's no reason to bring politics into a situation where someone lost their job. He needs medical coverage plain and simple. For those of you seeking to politicize this, suppose you become majorly ill and find yourself UNABLE to work long term? You'd have no choice but to apply for disability and use medicare.
It isn't politics.

It's a matter of self-responsibility.

He's laid off, and has no savings to continue insurance while he searches for another job. He can't afford something, but he wants/needs it. It's a different situation than permanent disability.
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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It isn't politics.

It's a matter of self-responsibility.

He's laid off, and has no savings to continue insurance while he searches for another job. He can't afford something, but he wants/needs it. It's a different situation than permanent disability.
yeah..personal responsibility until it happens to you or someone you love
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:13 PM
 
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yeah..personal responsibility until it happens to you or someone you love
If everyone's opinion is someone else should pay for their healthcare needs. There's no one left to pay for it.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:18 PM
 
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If everyone's opinion is someone else should pay for their healthcare needs. There's no one left to pay for it.
How about this, we catch up with every other Western nation and we all pay for EVERYONES healthcare, it's called single payer and guess what..it's cheaper and more efficient than this cluster f*** we have here
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:04 AM
 
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Absolutely,
Dump the for profit insurance companies, put all doctors on Federal salaries with bonuses for proven excellent service and give everyone cradle to grave health care. REGULATE the price of all drugs.
Such a system would cost LESS than any mishmash we have now. That is proven by most of the rest of the world that gets better health care than we do at FAR less total money.


But it would take some BALLS from Congress and a president.


All America WANTS a universal plan like this but money in black bags to lawmakers subverts it.
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Old 03-04-2017, 07:38 AM
 
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^^^ +10
Absolutely,
Dump the for profit insurance companies, put all doctors on Federal salaries with bonuses for proven excellent service and give everyone cradle to grave health care. REGULATE the price of all drugs.
Such a system would cost LESS than any mishmash we have now. That is proven by most of the rest of the world that gets better health care than we do at FAR less total money.


But it would take some BALLS from Congress and a president.


All America WANTS a universal plan like this but money in black bags to lawmakers subverts it.
Single payer would be cheaper. It's a viable alternative, would it slow the phenomenal process, research, care, that the American Healthcare system provides.

The US is the leader in pharmaceutical development, cancer research/treatment, best teaching-hospitals in the world, and highest rate of self-reported healthy citizens of any country.

... of course, at a cost of 2x MINIMUM of what every other developed country does it for.


The insurance companies are quite a bit the fault, i'd eliminate them in a heartbeat, but federalizing all medical professionals is tricky.

Are the majority of doctors in this country going to be willing to work for far less than they do now?
Is the US willing to spend billions more in scholarships/funding for M.Ds? No one in the US would pay 200K+ in medical tuition training and a residency for a chance at a 75K job.
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Single payer would be cheaper. It's a viable alternative, would it slow the phenomenal process, research, care, that the American Healthcare system provides.
The US is the leader in pharmaceutical development, cancer research/treatment, best teaching-hospitals in the world, and highest rate of self-reported healthy citizens of any country.
... of course, at a cost of 2x MINIMUM of what every other developed country does it for.
The insurance companies are quite a bit the fault, i'd eliminate them in a heartbeat, but federalizing all medical professionals is tricky.
Are the majority of doctors in this country going to be willing to work for far less than they do now?
Is the US willing to spend billions more in scholarships/funding for M.Ds? No one in the US would pay 200K+ in medical tuition training and a residency for a chance at a 75K job.
We could subsidize research, we already do subsidize a large part of it. As far as Doctors, In the UK, Doctors don't need a 4 year undergraduate degree, they go right to medical school after high school, when they finish 4 or 5 years of medical school they have a residency for a year or two. Look at the Kaiser Permanente for a different model of how to compensate Doctors, Kaiser docs are paid $180-330K a year but they get great benefits a pension and a retirement plan. As a result Kaiser can contain it's costs so that it is one of the most efficient health organizations in the US.

Whatever we do, we can't afford to allow practitioners and hospitals to charge whatever they want and then allow insurance companies to add 15-50% for their profit.

I don't think we are the healthiest by any measure: Americans Far Less Healthy, Die Younger Than Global Peers, Study Finds | PBS NewsHour
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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The Hoover institute has quite an interesting piece on the quality of the American Healthcare system, but isn't at a blind eye to the uninsured and poor.

Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise | Hoover Institution


Our medical system reflects a lot of our capitalistic practices in this country.
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