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These type of threads show up on CD continuously and they continuously blame the schools and the teachers. How about they finally blame the students who don't see a value to an education until they actually need to use it. And when they actually need to use it the little light bulb goes on in their head about not taking the time to learn it and now needing it. It's up to the students to go over the materials learned that day and it's up to them to do their homework each evening. This mentality of not having homework on a certain evening should not equate to not going over the materials learned that day. Parents should also be held accountable to a minimum of simply making sure studies were done that night and if there are concerns about what was learned, send a note/email to the teacher about it.
thread went off on a tangent as usual but nobody was blaming the teachers, the thread was about blaming the Bozo in the mayor's office for wasting over half a billion with nothing to show for it. Then when people discussed kids learning pretty much everyone agreed the main problem is BAD PARENTS. Most teachers are fine people, but the union needs to go there are way too many restrictions, and also a reason why charter schools are doing so well
The problem is not the teachers or their union. This is a ridiculous rationale for education not working well... the idea that highly educated individuals with masters degrees who could be doing anything else are somehow failing our kids and we need to crackdown on their union. Teachers are already extremely underpaid in comparison to other professions with the same education requirements. Their union is the only thing that gives them protections and benefits. Without the teachers unions, we would not have teachers no one would want to put up with the crap the school system and kids put teachers through. We already see this with non-unionized charter schools. I have a friend whose child is charter and says that the kids teacher has switched 3 times last year during the the school year because two teachers left back to back because of how they were getting underpaid.
OP aid crying about money being spent on our kids to improve schools ...
Money is actually what FIXES schools. The problem is the neoliberal austerity measures taken by conservatives like Giuliani and Bloomberg who like to cut funding. Cutting funding means increased class size, increase class size means poor education. As much as I disagree with DeBlasio, the community school and renewal school model is a great idea. Let's increase resources to poor preforming schools and cut class sizes... this will take generations of undoing neglect not four years to work.
Correct, under Bloomberg policy those schools should have been closed for persistent failure to educate the children. A new school would have been re-opened with completely different staff
Makes no sense. I see why you would think that way though. If you don't have a new blueprint for success what's the point in opening new schools? Nice new fixings? Brand spanking new officers for all the top heavy bureaucrats? None of what you said makes sense.
Makes no sense. I see why you would think that way though. If you don't have a new blueprint for success what's the point in opening new schools? Nice new fixings? Brand spanking new officers for all the top heavy bureaucrats?
Actually strangely enough, the replacement school is usually the very same building. The fixings are also the same. The difference is that the administration and teachers are completely replaced and it starts fresh. Bureaucrats have nothing to do with it.
Basically that approach is blow it up and start over, but obviously the underlying problems remain (kids with lazy / absentee parents). Closing the schools doesn't mean the new school solves the problems, it means accepting that the old school was beyond salvation. At least we don't blow a half billion dollars
The best way forward is to educate the parents on how to be mildly competent parents, a herculean task
Actually strangely enough, the replacement school is usually the very same building. The fixings are also the same. The difference is that the administration and teachers are completely replaced and it starts fresh. Bureaucrats have nothing to do with it.
Basically that approach is blow it up and start over, but obviously the underlying problems remain (kids with lazy / absentee parents). Closing the schools doesn't mean the new school solves the problems, it means accepting that the old school was beyond salvation. At least we don't blow a half billion dollars
The best way forward is to educate the parents on how to be mildly competent parents, a herculean task
No point in closing a school to reopen it without a blueprint for success. You said they should have been closed and reopened under Bloomberg. Makes no sense.
No point in closing a school to reopen it without a blueprint for success. You said they should have been closed and reopened under Bloomberg. Makes no sense.
If you're a supporter of DeBozo there's really no helping you
No point in closing a school to reopen it without a blueprint for success. You said they should have been closed and reopened under Bloomberg. Makes no sense.
Bloomberg knew nothing about how urban public schools work. He grew up going to good schools in the suburbs. To any top evel corporate manager the most obvious thing must be the schools if they're not performing. So what he did was close them down and unzoned the high schools in nearby good areas to allow the failing students to go to. But as anyone with common sense that actually grew up in NYC and went to the public schools here knows it doesnt work like that. Its no different than closinf down BMCC and funneling everyone to NYU, but he couldn't grasp the concept or simply didn't care. The end result of his policies is that high performing local high schools is now non existent in the entire NYC.
Personally I'd rather deblasio blow billions on bad schools than destroying the good schools like Bloomberg did. Heck hire a nanny for each kid in the ghetto for all I care.
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Study just released shows unionized teachers in NYC have 3x the chronic absenteeism of charter school teachers in NYC. Which has a large effect on student performance due to discontinuity and unfamiliarity.
Tell us again from your moral high ground about what kind of workers the non-unionized people are.
You mean the ones at Success Academy who get caught on film abusing children? Most incompentant teachers ever.. they are most all useless first year grads who are overeager and don't know anything because they will take any job they can get (much less than union). Once they realize how little they are paid for how much extra work they do they leave to other jobs.. my friends kid had three teachers in one year for this reason at a charter!
Charters are actually trying to reduce the requirements for teachers. They are advocating so that they can hire bachelor level grads as teachers reducing the quality of education.
Charters are actually trying to reduce the requirements for teachers. They are advocating so that they can hire bachelor level grads as teachers reducing the quality of education.
Assuming for a second what you say is true, does it even matter?
What matters are the results, and charter school students are doing MUCH better than the citywide averages in terms of learning and progress. Charter schools that don't perform get their charter revoked and it's ADIOS. Wish we could revoke half the incompetent teachers in the UFT teachers union though, now that would be something
Assuming for a second what you say is true, does it even matter?
What matters are the results, and charter school students are doing MUCH better than the citywide averages in terms of learning and progress. Charter schools that don't perform get their charter revoked and it's ADIOS. Wish we could revoke half the incompetent teachers in the UFT teachers union though, now that would be something
No, no they aren't.
Charter schools performance are just average.
The huge quality reports you see are from charters in low income areas with (even slightly involved) PARENTS who actively choose to put their students in such charters, and few to no learning disabled / major behavioral issued students.
Those schools also have worse working conditions for educators via pay or lower benefits- which can fly as new teachers gain experience and then flee.
For those complaining about staff, the teachers union and NYCDOE should just flat out never tenure teachers who they don't see as long time amazing- but here's where that comes in handy; There are economic booms like the 90s where without these long term dead weights, they'd have NO one in the classroom.
Get rid of the bad educators and reward the quality ones is touted all the time- but once you're left with only high functioning teachers and administrators, you're to end up having to up the budget 50% for said performance pay- this would keep the flight of teachers out of LI and Westchester.
NYCDOE just doesn't care. Not until the wealthy class of New York have anything to do with the public school system, which they largely do not.
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