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When most of the parents don't care or don't bother to learn English kids fail at school. End of story. You can spend 5 billion and nothing will change. The parents need to step up.
thread went off on a tangent as usual but nobody was blaming the teachers, the thread was about blaming the Bozo in the mayor's office for wasting over half a billion with nothing to show for it. Then when people discussed kids learning pretty much everyone agreed the main problem is BAD PARENTS. Most teachers are fine people, but the union needs to go there are way too many restrictions, and also a reason why charter schools are doing so well
Charter schools do relatively "well" because they can game the system. Charter schools game the system by pushing poorly behaved/bad students out. Public schools cannot do this for obvious reasons.
Everyone knows this including the politicians but they allow it because of how NYC's school districts are zoned. Charter schools are one of the few ways that good parents in poor performing (i.e. poor/low income) zoned districts can get their child a decent education.
The biggest constraint that NYC DOE faces is that it HAS to accept ALL NYC children that are eligible to attend the city's schools. Charters do not have this obligation. If your kid behaves like an animal, most charter schools will kick them out.
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When most of the parents don't care or don't bother to learn English kids fail at school. End of story. You can spend 5 billion and nothing will change. The parents need to step up.
Why would the parents care about the children's test scores when they have their own issues?
Such as lack of affordable housing, difficulty paying bills, issues with the criminal justice system, etc.
The biggest constraint that NYC DOE faces is that it HAS to accept ALL NYC children that are eligible to attend the city's schools. Charters do not have this obligation. If your kid behaves like an animal, most charter schools will kick them out.
false and false.
Charter school admission is by lottery only, a child who's number comes up gets admitted regardless
Charter schools can't just kick out students arbitrarily. If they do something that would get them kicked out of a charter, they would have been kicked out of a city run school too
Charter school admission is by lottery only, a child who's number comes up gets admitted regardless
Charter schools can't just kick out students arbitrarily. If they do something that would get them kicked out of a charter, they would have been kicked out of a city run school too
Ur kids in public school? What district?
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Charter school admission is by lottery only, a child who's number comes up gets admitted regardless
Charter schools can't just kick out students arbitrarily. If they do something that would get them kicked out of a charter, they would have been kicked out of a city run school too
Right. So you already start off with the parents who care more by trying to get in on the lottery.
And actually, charter schools have their ways to get the kids out. Once they're out, they're out. If you're kicked out of one city school, you're off to another.
Why would the parents care about the children's test scores when they have their own issues?
Such as lack of affordable housing, difficulty paying bills, issues with the criminal justice system, etc.
Oh I don't know. Perhaps because low income parents since the beginning of the city's history have dealt with the same issues and somehow still prioritized their children's education. Do you know they Stuy, perhaps the top school in the city, and with an entrance based on educational merit, the majority are low/free lunch kids? A whole bunch who come from low income zip codes.
People don't give up on their kids just because they are poor.
Charter schools do relatively "well" because they can game the system. Charter schools game the system by pushing poorly behaved/bad students out. Public schools cannot do this for obvious reasons.
Everyone knows this including the politicians but they allow it because of how NYC's school districts are zoned. Charter schools are one of the few ways that good parents in poor performing (i.e. poor/low income) zoned districts can get their child a decent education.
The biggest constraint that NYC DOE faces is that it HAS to accept ALL NYC children that are eligible to attend the city's schools. Charters do not have this obligation. If your kid behaves like an animal, most charter schools will kick them out.
Wrong, they do have an obligation to accept every child that has passed the lottery - regardless of any other factors. And yes, unlike most traditional union-bound schools, they do actively manage classroom disruptors who sabotage other kid's education - a huge blind eye failing of the traditional system. That doesn't make the traditional system somehow morally superior - it makes it negligent for failure to act. There is a right to education - but there isn't a right to destroy other's education. There's plenty of tools that traditional schools can do about this and separate those who %^&K up other kid's education - but half of them do jack.
The truth is in the minority waiting lists at the charter schools. Low income black and Hispanic parents all over the city have their kids on waiting lists for charter schools (virtually all of have a minority majority anyway) - and their clear choices, voting with their feet, cuts through the patronizing upper middle white class pseudo-progressive dogma that compels black & hispanic kids (not their kids of course) to stay in schools which do not provide an education but which facilitate disruption and non-learning by casual neglect, and which fail to deal with problem students. The graduation rate in city schools is, and has been for decades, including before charter schools turned up, hovering between 50 and 65%. Absolutely ****ing diabolical - a travesty. But the patronizing UMC whites with their lip service to equality of education, and their fawning to Union interests, end up painting charters as an iniquity - not the entirely screwed up traditional system which has a handful of jewels for a lucky few in a boatload of steaming crap for the majority.
Its truly ficked up - but again - the low income black and Hispanic parents who cut through the PC and aren't liars to facts like the UMC "progressive" whites - they know where they want their kids to be educated. Hence the waiting lists.
Oh I don't know. Perhaps because low income parents since the beginning of the city's history have dealt with the same issues and somehow still prioritized their children's education. Do you know they Stuy, perhaps the top school in the city, and with an entrance based on educational merit, the majority are low/free lunch kids? A whole bunch who come from low income zip codes.
People don't give up on their kids just because they are poor.
You are mixing demographics and cultures. The majority of poor students at stuy are Asian, most people praise Asians for being diligent about prioritizing education relative to Black and Hispanic.
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