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Old 04-24-2018, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Somewhere that cost too much
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@JC718

Maybe the manager felt threatened by their appearance? You know how some people clutch their purse in an elevator if someone suspicious enters? It is similar to that.

What qualifies as being racist? I notice a lot of people on this site use that word, but it doesn't make sense at times.

People always say that they notice I eat a lot of watermelon and drink orange soda, and say that I may have been black in another life. That never offends me. Do you think that is racism when someone talks about the food one eats?

I have also been denied access at Starbucks restrooms for not buying anything and I am never offended or say it is racist in any way. I understand those are the guidelines. Not all Starbucks do, but some have denied me restroom access, which I am fine with.

I bumped into a neighbor the other day wearing sweatpants and I felt so awful and low class, but I was heading to the gym. In my humble opinion, I like to dress presentable. Sweat pants has negative connotations.
Wasn’t the call for trespassing? If other patrons were there and hadn’t purchased anything they would be trespassing too, no? So why were these men escorts by police in handcuffs?

Because the manager had a prejudiced against them...perhaps.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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I bumped into a neighbor the other day wearing sweatpants and I felt so awful and low class, but I was heading to the gym. In my humble opinion, I like to dress presentable. Sweat pants has negative connotations.
You felt embarrassed becase someone saw you in gym clothes while you were on your way to the gym? You have serious self esteem issues.


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Maybe the manager felt threatened by their appearance? You know how some people clutch their purse in an elevator if someone suspicious enters? It is similar to that.

What qualifies as being racist? I notice a lot of people on this site use that word, but it doesn't make sense at times.
That is a text book example of implicit bias.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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Clutching ones purse is implicit bias?

Being more vigilant in a bad neighbor is implicit bias? People aren't allowed to be vigilant and to feel safe?

You need to stop because your $5 words doesn't make the situation any better, nor does it prove your stance either.

I guess its implicit bias is when a homeless person attacks you for money and you try to defend yourself, but based on the homeless person's ethnicity, it maybe deemed implicit bias or not.

Is offering a person of color corn bread, orange soda and watermelon implicit bias?

When a latino does their hair in corn rolls, is that implicit bias? If they did it to fit in the hood, survive, or get street cred, is that implicit bias.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Clutching ones purse is implicit bias?

Being more vigilant in a bad neighbor is implicit bias? People aren't allowed to be vigilant and to feel safe?

You need to stop because your $5 words doesn't make the situation any better, nor does it prove your stance either.

I guess its implicit bias is when a homeless person attacks you for money and you try to defend yourself, but based on the homeless person's ethnicity, it maybe deemed implicit bias or not.

Is offering a person of color corn bread, orange soda and watermelon implicit bias?

When a latino does their hair in corn rolls, is that implicit bias? If they did it to fit in the hood, survive, or get street cred, is that implicit bias.
Google implicit bias. You can read about, understand the definition and how it is applied in different situations, and even take implicit bias tests (created by Harvard) to understand your specific biases . If you don’t want to read about it or take a test, there is an npr podcast about it too. The podcast isn’t long and very interesting.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Somewhere that cost too much
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Originally Posted by AlexaMatthews View Post
Clutching ones purse is implicit bias?

Being more vigilant in a bad neighbor is implicit bias? People aren't allowed to be vigilant and to feel safe?

You need to stop because your $5 words doesn't make the situation any better, nor does it prove your stance either.

I guess its implicit bias is when a homeless person attacks you for money and you try to defend yourself, but based on the homeless person's ethnicity, it maybe deemed implicit bias or not.

Is offering a person of color corn bread, orange soda and watermelon implicit bias?

When a latino does their hair in corn rolls, is that implicit bias? If they did it to fit in the hood, survive, or get street cred, is that implicit bias.
I'm a person of color and I dislike like orange soda and grape for that matter and watermelon. For the record I don't like fried chicken or ribs if we are making a list for the cookout.

You gotta get out more and stop putting people in a box based on skin color.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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I'm a person of color and I dislike like orange soda and grape for that matter and watermelon. For the record I don't like fried chicken or ribs if we are making a list for the cookout.

You gotta get out more and stop putting people in a box based on skin color.
Kind of random but in one of my first jobs, I used to bring food into work and would sometimes share my food with others. One day, I brought cut up watermelon and offered some to the office manager who was black and she took it. Afterwards, a couple of my coworkers who were white laughed at me and asked if I was going to offer her fried chicken next. Only then did I learn about the stereotype. I don't think the office manager took offense though. At least I hoped not.

In the same office, there was a Chinese assistant. After one trip, I gave her a clock souvenir. One of those cheap ones that had a name of the city I visited. She was very offended and told me that clocks were bad luck in the Chinese culture and to never give them as gifts.

I was young and naive.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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@MC305,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I don't think any of what you did was wrong, nor should it be misconstrued as such. You were being polite and thoughtful and to some, it appears that would be defined as implicit bias. I probably would have asked if she wanted to go to Popeyes for lunch.

I gave someone a Santa claus lollipop for Christmas and they got offended and said they were Jewish. I cant tell people's religion by looking at someone. My neighbor said: you were being polite by giving her a lollipop. It was very thoughtful.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Somewhere that cost too much
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Kind of random but in one of my first jobs, I used to bring food into work and would sometimes share my food with others. One day, I brought cut up watermelon and offered some to the office manager who was black and she took it. Afterwards, a couple of my coworkers who were white laughed at me and asked if I was going to offer her fried chicken next. Only then did I learn about the stereotype. I don't think the office manager took offense though.

In the same office, there was a Chinese assistant. After one trip, I gave her a clock souvenir. One of those cheap ones that had a name of the city I visited. She was very offended and told me that clocks were bad luck in the Chinese culture.

I was young and naive.
I had no idea about clocks and Chinese culture. I would have been offended that she was offended that I gave an innocent gift, lol. But you live and learn and don't make assumptions or you try not to.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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I had no idea about clocks and Chinese culture. I would have been offended that she was offended that I gave an innocent gift, lol. But you live and learn and don't make assumptions or you try not to.
I think she knew I meant well. But yeah, you live and learn. Which is why I generally try to give people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. I've made plenty of mistakes and committed faux pax.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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I'll take some quenepas if someone offered them to me LOL I wouldn't be offended
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