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Some people tend to forget. And as a Guyanese American, I don't forget the crown Heights situation, even though I'm a Bronx native. The family of the boy killed is family friends of ours via cousins. I never forgot the story and how my mom in her thick Guyanese accent. Why this family have their small children on the street so late? My mother's cousin who lived on the same block actually next door to the parents of the kid killed during accident, had called my mom and told her what happened. After that incident. My mom did not want me on the street late. I too was a small child back then. I too used to play outside on the street. If I'm not mistaken. My mom told me that she can hear a man whaling and screaming over the phone while on the phone with her cousin who lives right next door to the family of the boy killed. That man screaming was the boys father.
I respect it.
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Right, blackWest Indians in the US are still "black Americans"
First generation immigrant Caribbean blacks are distinct from American blacks. Its among the younger generations where there is blending. The empathy that black Americans and Caribbean blacks have for each other when a racist event occurs is because both know that the perpetrator was after blacks, with specific ethnic identity not needed.
The riot began because the police and the ambulance were more concerned about the Jews when the accident occurred and didn't give a damn about the Guyanese kid. When the father of the kid came down the police chased him away. The crowd saw this and became enraged.
NYC was a very ethnically divided city at the time. Blacks were getting killed for being in the wrong environment and blacks buying homes in Canarsie and Flatbush faced verbal and physical attacks with a few even firebombed. So the riots must be seen within that context. In the 1980s and early 1990s the white elites viewed blacks as scum and it didn't matter who they were.
Right, and this riot was triggered by a car ACCIDENT. (No one thinks this hasidic Jewish driver meant to hit and kill a child) smh
So when the ambulance and the police ignore the kids (another was involved but didn't die) and then when the father rushes down police chase him away, was that an accident?
The riot was a reaction against the blatant disregard for the rights of the blacks and blatant favoritism directed towards the Jews.
But I know that you think that black lives do NOT matter so who cares!
So when the ambulance and the police ignore the kids (another was involved but didn't die) and then when the father rushes down police chase him away, was that an accident?
The riot was a reaction against the blatant disregard for the rights of the blacks and blatant favoritism directed towards the Jews.
But I know that you think that black lives do NOT matter so who cares!
I agree that the POLICE were to blame in this incident. So why not riot against the POLICE, rather than kill an innocent hassidic Jew who was visiting from Australia at the time?
What happened is that the Jewish ambulance, Hatzolah, arrived at the scene first and of course started attempting to save the child (who was the only one seriously/fatally injured in the accident).
Neighborhood black people started gathering around and getting angry, and when the (idiot) police arrived, they instructed Hatzolah to take the rabbi/Jewish driver and leave the child, as they were fearful of a riot occurring (which of course did occur).
The police reportedly said to Hatzolah, "You take the rabbi, we'll deal with the child".
Hatzolah obeyed the police (possibly they should not have? would they have gotten arrested then? who knows), and left the (dying) child with the police/city ambulance, and took the Jewish passengers and left the scene - to the hospital
So, basically, the police made a big mess! (big surprise).
And then when many of the black residents of Crown Heights started rioting against Jews in the neighborhood, the police STAYED OUT of the neighborhood, did not provide any protection to the Jewish residents for 3 days!
I agree that the POLICE were to blame in this incident. So why not riot against the POLICE, rather than kill an innocent hassidic Jew who was visiting from Australia at the time?
What happened is that the Jewish ambulance, Hatzolah, arrived at the scene first and of course started attempting to save the child (who was the only one seriously/fatally injured in the accident).
Neighborhood black people started gathering around and getting angry, and when the (idiot) police arrived, they instructed Hatzolah to take the rabbi/Jewish driver and leave the child, as they were fearful of a riot occurring (which of course did occur).
The police reportedly said to Hatzolah, "You take the rabbi, we'll deal with the child".
Hatzolah obeyed the police (possibly they should not have? would they have gotten arrested then? who knows), and left the (dying) child with the police/city ambulance, and took the Jewish passengers and left the scene - to the hospital
So, basically, the police made a big mess! (big surprise).
And then when many of the black residents of Crown Heights started rioting against Jews in the neighborhood, the police STAYED OUT of the neighborhood, did not provide any protection to the Jewish residents for 3 days!
(How is that for "favoring Jews"?)
I was not in NYC when this occurred. It was on the news.
But I can say that many West Indians I've met are anti-semitic to the point of where I can say something completely unrelated (like I just graduated from Columbia) and they will say, it's run by the JEWS!
While it's true there are West Indian professionals, there's also a huge underclass of poor West Indians, and when they think of Jews they think just of the landlord. They'll even use Jew as a codeword for rich white.
So I don't think these riots were JUST about the incident of the Hasidic man running over the Guyanese guy.
Remember in the 1980s NYC Blacks were also killed for entering the wrong neighborhood. I think the racial relations in the country at this point where so terrible they some people just thought of any random white person as the enemy.
Remember the early 90s saw the LA riots as well.
Mind you, killing an innocent person is ALWAYS wrong, and the police should acted to stop the riots. But perhaps they were afraid they would spread to other neighborhoods.
An academic talks about the causes of the 1960s riots, and these apply to the Crown Heights riots despite the fact Hasidic Jews were not to blame for what happened to Black people in urban areas (they were just convenient targets). The academic talking about this is Jewish I believe.
Stuff like this it's sometimes better to read books or articles for context, because it's really hard to discuss this stuff on message boards.
Notice the late 1990s and early 2000s, with better economy and better employment figures we did not have the early 90s riots (the economy was bad during the Bush years).
I was not in NYC when this occurred. It was on the news.
But I can say that many West Indians I've met are anti-semitic to the point of where I can say something completely unrelated (like I just graduated from Columbia) and they will say, it's run by the JEWS!
While it's true there are West Indian professionals, there's also a huge underclass of poor West Indians, and when they think of Jews they think just of the landlord. They'll even use Jew as a codeword for rich white.
I agree that the POLICE were to blame in this incident. So why not riot against the POLICE, rather than kill an innocent hassidic Jew who was visiting from Australia at the time?
(How is that for "favoring Jews"?)
The police had always had a preference for the Hasidics as did the city at the time. On Saturdays when others were trying to go about their business the Hasidics had streets blocked off and found other ways of interrupting activity. People were forced to move their cars. They had no consideration for others in the neighborhood.
And yes the police also used to harass the black population there at the behest of the Hasidics who had vigilante groups which frequently attacked blacks in the neighborhood. Hasidics frequently harassed blacks, both owners and tenants, when they spotted a building that they wanted and used their political clout with Koch to get what they wanted.
And in fact there are allegations that this brigade frequently jumped traffic lights when they were escorting the Rebbe to wherever he was going. Some claim even on this occasion it happened.
So don't cry innocent hear. The Hasidics antagonized the West Indian community and eventually matters came to a boil. The killer of the student was arrested and paid his debt to society and I do not recall anyone rushing to protect him or condemning his arrest. Now did the Hasidic vigilantes which beat up blacks because they felt like it ever face justice? NO. They received the full protection from the police as BOTH profiled the entire black population as being criminal.
I was not in NYC when this occurred. It was on the news.
But I can say that many West Indians I've met are anti-semitic to the point of where I can say something completely unrelated (like I just graduated from Columbia) and they will say, it's run by the JEWS!
While it's true there are West Indian professionals, there's also a huge underclass of poor West Indians, and when they think of Jews they think just of the landlord. They'll even use Jew as a codeword for rich white.
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Note that the biggest anti Jewish hate-fests organized by the NOI were in Harlem NOT in Caribbean neighborhoods in Brooklyn. Why if anti Jewish attitudes are concentrated among Caribbean blacks. I( suggest that you use your scholarly abilities to research the attitudes that were prevalent in the 60s during the Ocean Hill teacher struggles. At that time the Caribbean population was minimal so those reflecting the thinking of American blacks.
When Farrakhan was spewing his hatred of Jews the crowds of American blacks were there right with him. And he had leaders within his organization who were even more hateful, to the point of even agreeing with Hitler.
Yes a certain level of anti Semitism occurs among poorer blacks (Caribbean AND American). But then racism among Jews in that era was quite rampant to the point where Koch became as racist as Trump is now accused of being, as he trolled for votes from the white ethnic outer borough population which still existed at the time.
But when Hasidic vigilantes were beating up blacks who were walking the streets minding their own business, and then running to the police for protection when people demanded that these outfits should be dismantled that did not disturb you.
No. Your response will be a whole thesis about how blacks are all criminals so deserved to be assaulted by Hasidic vigilante groups.
But when Hasidic vigilantes were beating up blacks who were walking the streets minding their own business, and then running to the police for protection when people demanded that these outfits should be dismantled that did not disturb you.
No. Your response will be a whole thesis about how blacks are all criminals so deserved to be assaulted by Hasidic vigilante groups.
I absolutely do not believe that!
When have I ever said that blacks are all criminals? Are you mistaking me with someone else on this board?
Just as I don't believe that black people are all criminals, I also don't believe that all Jewish or hasidic people are rich or landlords or vigilantes who run around beating up black people.
I don't believe in targeting members of either/any groups.
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