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I ate at cheap ethnic restaurants in NYC where I'm sure the prices were low because of immigrants, including illegal.
Of course people in the city also benefit from cheap laundromat services (staffed I'm sure by illegals). The price of restaurants, bars, and other service stuff in the city would go way up if not for illegals. Minimum wage is what, $15 an hour? If not for illegals one would really need to pay Americans 20 or 25 dollars an hour for service jobs. Hope you enjoy $100 dollar lunches and $150 dollar dinners. And 30 dollar drinks.
Ridiculous. NYC is 400 years old and was arguably the greatest city in the world in the 20th century, all before there was even such a thing as illegals from Mexico and Central America. If it was able to be such a great city without illegals, why would it be needed now?
Ridiculous. NYC is 400 years old and was arguably the greatest city in the world in the 20th century, all before there was even such a thing as illegals from Mexico and Central America. If it was able to be such a great city without illegals, why would it be needed now?
Because before they were Latin American illegals, poor people from Europe came to do all the dirty work. And of course you had money owned from slave plantations of the South (the cotton was used to make clothes and banks facilitated in the export and of course gave out loans).
So NYC has always exploited loads of poor people in one way or another, and this is not going to change any time soon. Being that Europeans will not move to America to make less than the minimum wage in the 21st century, NYC is indeed dependent upon "illegals" from Mexico and Central America.
Of course it's true, but you'll never admit it. I lived in New York for the greater part of my life, and had to deal with all of that crap.
Let's be real the issue is never taxes if you're a "taker" and don't put much if anything back into the system. Taxes drive up the cost of everything, from the food in your belly, the gas in your tank to the clothes on your back. Corporations, the media, advertising, the tech sector etc. do not pay any taxes, they are all passed down to the consumers of their products and users of their services. The other issue New York has is it's public sector unions who own the legislature lock, stock and barrel. "Ask and ye shall receive" should be their motto. New York's pension debt is enormous because of promises made and promises kept. That's just one of the reasons why property taxes are so high. Renter's are not exempt as those taxes are all part of the rent, they just don't see it and instead blame the greedy old landlord.
In spite of a growing tech sector and people from around the world coming to visit. New York is losing more people that are coming in. So many in fact that the state has already lost two congressional seats and are on track to lose two more.***
But the whole issue is the middle class who make up the majority of the population who bear the brunt of excessive taxation. They're the ones who are getting hammered into the ground. There are not enough wealthy people to tax into oblivion to support a massive socialist welfare state such as New York. Now they want to add universal healthcare to the mix. The State of California is planning the same thing at a cost of over 400 billion dollars just for that alone. That's more than double the entire state budget of 180 billion.
Nothing and I mean NOTHING is free, somebody, somewhere, somehow will have to pay for it one way or the other.
Notice billionaires and the Fortune 500 LOVE doing business in NY or California. The issue is not taxes.
Poor people who cannot really afford to live in the neighbourhoods that they would like in NYC and LA are forced out, and they want to say it's taxes rather than admit they cannot afford 6000 rents or 2 million dollar condos.
In the hot parts of the city to live reasonably well you'd need to earn well into the six digits.
NYC caters to wealthy people, and it's hurts some of you too much to admit you're not what the city or the state favours.
Notice how Amazon, a Fortune 500 company can get tax breaks, but you cannot.
You really have you answer there. Trust me the city nor the state is crying about the loss of so called "middle class" people. They will keep enough poor people in these cities (places like NYC and LA) because they need poor workers to do services for the rich. People who are state employees or teachers can live on the edges of the city like Eastern Queens or the North Bronx or South Brooklyn).
And I bet half the people here running their mouths about the horrors of de Blasio's plan could not even be bothered to vote in local elections. Mind you I have no problems with his plan and I still vote via absentee ballot in NY elections.
Most of the big CITY RUN liberal are close to going broke, from Chicago to Los Angeles, Baltimore, Detroit (oh wait they went broke a few years back) etc.
New Yorkers are moving out of state in droves WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH ONE MORE "FREE" STUFF?
And I bet half the people here running their mouths about the horrors of de Blasio's plan could not even be bothered to vote in local elections. Mind you I have no problems with his plan and I still vote via absentee ballot in NY elections.
That is part of the problem but the biggest problem is that most taxpayers has been moving out of state over the last 20 years. These voters used to be moderate before they left to state like Florida, Texas, SC, etc. Even if NYC go broke and run down with crimes like all others liberal run city, another Rudy or Pataki would never win in New York.
New York had reached a point of no return as takers outnumber makers. This is like a few years back when Greece who very predictable went barnkrupt with their socialist economy but entire population compose of socialists, people who only know handout their entire life. They ended up electing a hard core communists. lol
Most of the big CITY RUN liberal are close to going broke, from Chicago to Los Angeles, Baltimore, Detroit (oh wait they went broke a few years back) etc.
New Yorkers are moving out of state in droves WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH ONE MORE "FREE" STUFF?
NYC is doing very well and gaining population. They are only happy when poor people move out.
I think you don't know anything about NYC, or business. NYC has the highest number of headquarters for an American city. It is the centre of US business. Finance, tech, fashion, media, advertising, film, are all in NYC. People around the world come to study in NYC, many of them rich. Lots of business people purchase real estate in NYC.
With that said, are the hot parts of NYC good for someone making 50k a year? No. Rents costs 5000 or 6000 a month. To purchase you'd need a minimum of a million. You'd need to make well into the six digits.
And that's the problem of why right wing "middle class" read poor people are hysterical. They cannot live where they want to in NYC, so they convince themselves NYC is communists when NYC is full of the world's TOP capitalists. But a "middle class" person has no such access.
Middle class has been bailing out of NYS *and* NYC for years now. Yes, population is increasing but that is because illegals, poor immigrants and others who decidedly are *not* middle class are flooding into the city. They and the "wealthy" are coming in for various reasons.
You only have to look at the policies of your hero Bill de Boob and that come kind of city council, along with following where they are shoveling taxpayer money. It is all for the "poor" "immigrants (illegal or legal), minorities and or anyone else who doesn't earn.
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