Landlord, Contractor & Plumber Found Guilty Of Manslaughter In Fatal 2015 East Village Gas Explosion (apartment, lease)

[BugsyPal]

Dun, dun, dun!


https://gothamist.com/news/landlord-...-gas-explosion

[foxyknoxy]

I forgot about it

[foxyknoxy]

15 years seems fair

[NJ Brazen_3133]

THe picture makes it looks like the explosion completely demolished the whole entire building. If so then most everyone in there ought to be a ghost, but article says only two dead with a dozen injured.

By the way a lot of landlords are switching to electric stoves. Even many restaurants are using induction cookers.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

THe picture makes it looks like the explosion completely demolished the whole entire building. If so then most everyone in there ought to be a ghost, but article says only two dead with a dozen injured.

By the way a lot of landlords are switching to electric stoves. Even many restaurants are using induction cookers.

Just as with heating, switching to electric for cooking lets landlords off the hook in terms of providing gas or another fuel. Don't think many NYC households do so much cooking/baking to run up high gas bills, but still an entire building using electric for cooking still saves a LL money.

[BBMW]

The fact that the city is pushing building owners with oil heating to move to gas may slow down LLs moving away from gas for cooking.

Back to the court case, I think it was pretty much a slam dunk after they were indicted. I'm a little surprised the LL didn't disappear to the Ukraine.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by BBMW

The fact that the city is pushing building owners with oil heating to move to gas may slow down LLs moving away from gas for cooking.

Maybe, maybe not.

For new buildings you're seeing plenty of electric for cooking/baking. Coupled with in a good number of cases PTAC units for heating/cooling.

When you think about it the push by BdeB (begun under nanny state Bloomberg) to make buildings tighter favors electric over natural gas for cooking. While NG is clean compared to say coal or oil, electricity is even more so.

If it weren't for space requirements you'd probably see more new/gut renovated multi-family housing with tankless hot water units

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by BugsyPal

Just as with heating, switching to electric for cooking lets landlords off the hook in terms of providing gas or another fuel. Don't think many NYC households do so much cooking/baking to run up high gas bills, but still an entire building using electric for cooking still saves a LL money.

Tenant usually pays for their cooking gas.

The real issue is ConEd, NatGrid very stingy. If they find tiniest leak, LL has to redo whole gas line. And it can be a while before ConEd, NatGrid approves and restores gas supply.

If it happens in winter, and LL use gas for heating/hotwater, LL is screwed.

A lot of tenants if they smell something funky because their stove is old, will just call ConEd, Nat Grid or FDNY, and they come smell something too, cut off gas, and tell you need to redo whole thing.

That is what happened to my company, so we just decide to ask tenant if they want electric instead, and all new renovations get converted to electric.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Tenant usually pays for their cooking gas.

The real issue is ConEd, NatGrid very stingy. If they find tiniest leak, LL has to redo whole gas line. And it can be a while before ConEd, NatGrid approves and restores gas supply.

If it happens in winter, and LL use gas for heating/hotwater, LL is screwed.

A lot of tenants if they smell something funky because their stove is old, will just call ConEd, Nat Grid or FDNY, and they come smell something too, cut off gas, and tell you need to redo whole thing.

That is what happened to my company, so we just decide to ask tenant if they want electric instead, and all new renovations get converted to electric.

No, not always.

Tons of apartment buildings in Manhattan and elsewhere have cooking gas baked into the rent. Worse if the building is under rent regulation then LL cannot change this; it is considered a service tenant was entitled to when signed lease.

In order for tenant to pay their own gas there has to be either a sub meter, or some sort of arrangement is included in lease. The latter can be something like "X" amount per month for gas service.

[foxyknoxy]

I live in a building and pay for gas. I never had gas included in my rent.