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True. There's target practice, some people have ongoing practice by going in the woods and hunting, and of course, there are military people who had careers in armed forces.
This sounds like a proposal to form a new street gang, ie, for even more lawlessness than there already is. No need for more gangs, just allow NYPD to do their job, and have laws that punish criminals appropriately. Normal, mentally healthy, law-abiding citizens should of course be allowed to own and carry weapons for self defense, but (1) self-defense situations should be exceedingly rare in a civilized society (ie, a normally functioning NYPD and legal system should take care of crime prevention), and (b) the first person that actually does NOT look like he should have a firearms permit is NYWriterDude :-). There are some criteria of normality still needed to give somebody a gun - it shouldn't particularly be an anti-police guy who wants to organize a paramilitary force in NYC :-).
Wyoming has the highest number of guns per capita.
Do we hear about people in Wyoming living in FEAR? According to this link, New York has the LOWEST percentage of guns per capita.
Considering I grew up in a military household, guns were ALWAYS around and available to me. Starting with my FATHER. Many of my relatives and friends are hunters and soldiers in Alabama, and I have friends who are hunters and soldiers in Spain. A firearm permit is no problem for me.
What I'm about to say is pretty bad, but it is true. Mods, this is not meant to be offensive.
The average white American doesn't need to fear inner-city criminals. They live in states in the interior of the West or South that have a guy ratio of registered gun owners. Even the typical law-abiding Black person in the South has guns. Men in the interior West and South go hunting.
People have the right to defend themselves, and not cry to the police all time time.
By the way, AirborneGuy posted a link that showed that prosecutors now have to give the names, birthdate, and ADDRESS of witnesses and law enforcement to the DEFENDANT. At least we know defendants need to be afraid of him, for people like you cannot testify without risk a defendant will show up at your house and retaliate against you (beat you or kill you). It's really getting bad, and people have to plan to take care of themselves.
And notice how Orthodox Jews are arming themselves, and getting the Guardian Angels to patrol their neigbhorhoods. No one is dumb enough to rely on the police alone.
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I’m just laughing at the people who are talking about Guardian Angels, martial arts training and civilized society. NYC has a lot of uncivilized people and will never be like Singapore, hence the need for one to adequately defend themselves using the second amendment if necessary.
The criminal can easily get a gun in another state and wreak havoc here. Vermont has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the country and they are very peaceful.
I’ve lived in Florida and we have concealed carry, yet we don’t have a bunch of vigilantes shooting ppl everyday.
I’m just laughing at the people who are talking about Guardian Angels, martial arts training and civilized society. NYC has a lot of uncivilized people and will never be like Singapore, hence the need for one to adequately defend themselves using the second amendment if necessary.
The criminal can easily get a gun in another state and wreak havoc here. Vermont has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the country and they are very peaceful.
I’ve lived in Florida and we have concealed carry, yet we don’t have a bunch of vigilantes shooting ppl everyday.
I completely agree with you. Ditto for Wyoming. In Texas, the members of a church killed a gunman who wanted to do a massacre. He could have killed the whole church if they had to wait for the police to arrive 30 minutes later.
Wyoming = Population - 577K "The state is the 10th largest by area, the least populous, and the second most sparsely populated state in the country." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming
NYC = Population - 8.7 Million. "The most populous city in the United States. With an estimated 2018 population of 8,398,748 distributed over a land area of about 302.6 square miles (784 km2), New York is also the most densely populated major city in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City
We still don't address the genesis of the problem. We jump to a solution that will probably not end up well in NYC.
NYC is a big social experiment. Multiculturalism on steroids, classism on steroids, High COL, disparity in QOL, etc.
Wyoming = Population - 577K "The state is the 10th largest by area, the least populous, and the second most sparsely populated state in the country." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming
NYC = Population - 8.7 Million. "The most populous city in the United States. With an estimated 2018 population of 8,398,748 distributed over a land area of about 302.6 square miles (784 km2), New York is also the most densely populated major city in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City
We still don't address the genesis of the problem. We jump to a solution that will probably not end up well in NYC.
NYC is a big social experiment. Multiculturalism on steroids, classism on steroids, High COL, disparity in QOL, etc.
I agree with many of this. But at the same time people in Wyoming and or other rural places and or places with lax gun regulations dont all live by themselves out in the woods with the nearest person like 50 miles away. Many do live in communities nearby each other.
Take Texas for example. Most people live in the cities like Houston metro, Dallas Metro. Those places dont have Hudson County density, but they are not isolated from each other either. Same for Nevada. Most people live in LV metro. States like NC, Tenn have bustling metros. Not as big as NYC, but the density dont matter.
But yes, it is poverty, desperation, and mental illness that causes crime. However we can fix that while still letting people defend themselves in case. It not cost tax payer any money to let people arm themselves unless of course govt wants a piece of the business.
back before nyc switched from the restricted carry target hunting licence to the residence licence most permit holders carried . there were over 30,000 permit holders .
. you likely had the guy sitting next to you on the bus carrying , only nobody knew how ,many were carrying because there were so few incidents .
I agree with many of this. But at the same time people in Wyoming and or other rural places and or places with lax gun regulations dont all live by themselves out in the woods with the nearest person like 50 miles away. Many do live in communities nearby each other.
Take Texas for example. Most people live in the cities like Houston metro, Dallas Metro. Those places dont have Hudson County density, but they are not isolated from each other either. Same for Nevada. Most people live in LV metro. States like NC, Tenn have bustling metros. Not as big as NYC, but the density dont matter.
But yes, it is poverty, desperation, and mental illness that causes crime. However we can fix that while still letting people defend themselves in case. It not cost tax payer any money to let people arm themselves unless of course govt wants a piece of the business.
You need to really research and compare those areas. Also, i never said anything about isolation. I was highlighting the lack of space in NYC. People living on top of each other sort of speak. Add the current population + 40 million annual tourist + illegal residents + outside workers who commute to NYC for work, etc. I don't believe that there is another city that has the diversity of NYC in terms of race, religion, sexual orientation, class, etc.
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