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Old 01-01-2022, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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Hopefully Adams squashes this plan, though I'm not confident that he will.

Building jails closer to communities where people will live does nothing more than give comfort to criminals and their families, which one can argue has societal benefit. But the societal downside of having jails within communities--and all of the extra crap that will bring--doesn't make it worthwhile IMO. Keep Rikers, in all of its relative isolation, open.

I'm all about increasing programs and the such to help ease people's transition back into society. But that can be done at the jail site for those who are willing to take advantage of it. We need to stop coddling these criminals.

The deBlasio plan was to place jails in neighborhoods to intentionally destabilize them. His whole progressive strategy was to turn NYC into one huge ghetto-like city. Let's see how Adams handles this mess.
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Old 01-01-2022, 01:48 PM
 
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The deBlasio plan was to place jails in neighborhoods to intentionally destabilize them. His whole progressive strategy was to turn NYC into one huge ghetto-like city. Let's see how Adams handles this mess.
That's funny

Are you familiar with the area around Brooklyn House of Detention? In the past 20 years the neighborhood has done a complete about face. The presence of the jail was no deterrent whatsoever to residential and commercial developers. Hell, even Trader Joes is up the block from the jail.
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Old 01-01-2022, 02:52 PM
 
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That's funny

Are you familiar with the area around Brooklyn House of Detention? In the past 20 years the neighborhood has done a complete about face. The presence of the jail was no deterrent whatsoever to residential and commercial developers. Hell, even Trader Joes is up the block from the jail.
That place and that area is a very unique situation.

There are areas in the city where $10MM condos are literally across the street from NYCHA complexes.
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Old 01-01-2022, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The deBlasio plan was to place jails in neighborhoods to intentionally destabilize them. His whole progressive strategy was to turn NYC into one huge ghetto-like city. Let's see how Adams handles this mess.
I will say that it seems that de Blasio wanted to build the jails on the sites of existing locations and expand the capacity of the existing locations, which could go to your point in terms of impact. In any case, I'm against shutting down Rikers and wasting money on new, state-of-the-art facilities for criminals.
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Old 01-01-2022, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Jailing people for years in horrible conditions doesn’t fix the person, it only makes him worse.

Build jails were they can work and ,earn skills, channel their anger and change as a person.
There are programs that an inmate can take advantage of to further rehabilitate themselves to be productive members of society. Many choose not to because it takes work to properly educate themselves, and most of these inmates have little to no education. Many of them can't read or do basic math.
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Old 01-01-2022, 04:22 PM
 
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Jailing people for years in horrible conditions doesn’t fix the person, it only makes him worse.

Build jails were they can work and ,earn skills, channel their anger and change as a person.
Why can't that be done at Rikers? Heck, you might have to spend a little bit of money to do so, but I see no reason to close down Rikers to make that a possibility.

Ultimately, however, as long as there is a stigma over hiring ex-felons and the such, any "skills" earned while in jail aren't going to do much for people, many of whom will continue a life of crime. But, to be clear, many of these people are career criminals who wouldn't go on the straight and narrow even if they could.
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Old 01-01-2022, 05:13 PM
 
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That place and that area is a very unique situation.

There are areas in the city where $10MM condos are literally across the street from NYCHA complexes.
How is it unique?

Are you familiar with the area around Queens House of Detention (Kew Gardens)?
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Old 01-01-2022, 05:53 PM
 
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How is it unique?

Are you familiar with the area around Queens House of Detention (Kew Gardens)?
First, don't compare downtown BK to Kew Gardens, it's laughable.

Secondly, go look at a map. The jail, the court, and Borough Hall are sectioned off by the Van Wyck, the Jackie Robinson, and Queens BLVD. It might as well be on another planet. I don't think that's by mistake.
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Old 01-01-2022, 05:56 PM
 
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First, don't compare downtown BK to Kew Gardens, it's laughable.

Secondly, go look at a map. The jail, the court, and Borough Hall are sectioned off by the Van Wyck, the Jackie Robinson, and Queens BLVD. I don't think that's a mistake.
So are you insinuating that the jail was so poorly built for fear of escapees that they surrounded it by highways? What year was the jail built? And the surrounding expressways?
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Old 01-01-2022, 06:12 PM
 
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What about the Tombs? Aside from the fact that there a homeless shelter over there, whats the problem with that neighborhood?
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