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Old 06-21-2021, 10:41 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Right wingers like the term because it sounds a little silly when applied in a serious way.
So they do that intentionally a mocking way because they like the way it sounds like a
a bad English version awakened
Educate yourself man, and no, pulling up Wikifakia entries doesn't count


https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-woke-wokeness/

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-critical-consciousness/

 
Old 06-21-2021, 10:55 PM
 
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Educate yourself man, and no, pulling up Wikifakia entries doesn't count


https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-woke-wokeness/

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-critical-consciousness/

that's a right wing website nobody has ever heard of, educate yourself

the above articles written by James Lindsay

James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian wrote and published the articles, often under alias names as part of year-long hoax campaign targeting fields like gender studies.
 
Old 06-21-2021, 11:00 PM
 
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that's a right wing website nobody has ever heard of, educate yourself
"Right-wing" = any expression of opinion of which the self-appointed Leftist elite does not approve.

Can you say "right wing", boys and girls?
 
Old 06-21-2021, 11:06 PM
 
Location: New York City
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James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian wrote and published the articles, often under alias names as part of year-long hoax campaign targeting fields like gender studies.
Yes, thereby giving themselves instant credibility and respect. They proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the current scholarship of Critical Theories is a complete fraud. They were able to successfully demonstrate that the entire current system of academic publication for the humanities is illegitimate by starting with a ridiculous conclusion and building sophistry around it, getting numerous papers published, proving that all the works in those publications are nothing but nonsense and sophistry.

It was a monumental achievement to expose this corruption.

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that's a right wing website nobody has ever heard of, educate yourself
Call it whatever you want, I mean if you're a leftist then Obama is right wing to you. The beauty of newdiscourses.com is that it's all 100% sourced by the published works of these woke cultists. You can follow the trail to the beginning and it's a clear line to the Frankfurt School and of course before that to Karl Marx and Charles Hegel
 
Old 06-21-2021, 11:07 PM
 
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"Right-wing" = any expression of opinion of which the self-appointed Leftist elite does not approve.

Can you say "right wing", boys and girls?
"leftist" = any expression of opinion of which the self-appointed conservatives does not approve.


Can you say "leftist", boys and girls?[
 
Old 06-21-2021, 11:08 PM
 
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"Right-wing" = any expression of opinion of which the self-appointed Leftist elite does not approve.

Can you say "right wing", boys and girls?
Well, if right-wingers claim that "woke" is a term of self-identification by left-wingers, then they must stick to the definition by which left-wingers use the term for themselves.

But if you use a right-wing definition of the term, you can't claim that definition is the definition left-wingers are using. No, at that point, when right wingers are using their own definition, it has become a right-wing term for left-wingers.
 
Old 06-21-2021, 11:21 PM
 
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Call it whatever you want, I mean if you're a leftist then Obama is right wing to you. The beauty of newdiscourses.com is that it's all 100% sourced by the published works of these woke cultists. You can follow the trail to the beginning and it's a clear line to the Frankfurt School and of course before that to Karl Marx
Like I said groups in 2021 that get called "woke" , the Quintessential one, Black Lives Matter don't take this term seriously and have stopped using it

You started with a video which was about Inquiry-based learning
and they added to that a racial element.
It would be fair to call that similar to Critical Race Theory
but you call it Marxism

Please deal with the proper subject Critical Race Theory
or what was actual said in the video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SffJkUt_U

this is a 2014 video giving an overview of Critical Race Theory

All "woke" means is someone who is aware of perceived racial, gender, sexual orientation and other perceived marginalized populations.

It's a vague term whereas Critical Race Theory has books written about it and an organized body of ideas

The right wing loves "woke" because they see it as code word for "uppity blacks"
 
Old 06-21-2021, 11:22 PM
 
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Well, if right-wingers claim that "woke" is a term of self-identification by left-wingers, then they must stick to the definition by which left-wingers use the term for themselves.

But if you use a right-wing definition of the term, you can't claim that definition is the definition left-wingers are using. No, at that point, when right wingers are using their own definition, it has become a right-wing term for left-wingers.
yes
 
Old 06-22-2021, 05:27 AM
 
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"woke" first appearing in a noticeable was around 2014 is now obsolete term coming from the black community and now is considered corny
and people now that are considered "woke" don't call themselves "woke" and haven't for a while

the term is not even on the Black Lives Matter Website

https://blacklivesmatter.com

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Wikipedia

Critical Race Theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

"woke" not mentioned

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Right wingers like the term because it sounds a little silly when applied in a serious way.
So they do that intentionally a mocking way because they like the way it sounds like a
a bad English version awakened
CRT is a concept or a theory and blm is an organization. There is no need to apply woke in Wikipedia pages. However for many in liberal, libertarian, class concious ideology and right-wing all agree that the identity left is woke due to the fact that the identity left believe in being aware of issues for women, blacks, LGBT, ability, immigration status, veteran status, non Christian denomination, gender, sexuality. And in these segments, people are oppressed. These identities can also be applied to kimberle Crenshaw intersecrionality. All of this is within the woke ideologies.

And boy crt is funny. What do you tell blacks when native Americans also own slaves. Or telling native Americans that blacks also stole and colonized your land along with the white man?
 
Old 06-22-2021, 05:31 AM
 
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"woke" is a slang term , already outdated by years. It doesn't have a precise meaning.
I think it's kind of silly to use it now.

There is not much or a power grab. The president is white and he even supported a strong and controversial anti-crime bill in 1994.
There is no take over of capitalism. Bernie Sanders lost
The Democratic party was already galvanized against Trump despite Black Lives Matter. Biden is a centrist who moved slightly to the left but is not a leftist or even progressive and he may not stay slightly to the left
You can't point to a single leader that has been highly influential except maybe AOC.
Trump did galvanize the right and there was a backlash.
Black Lives Matter had been an strong influence on politics but most of their focus has been narrow, protests on police shootings. There have been a lot less BLM protests and if there are more they will probably get a lot less traction due to the sharp upsurge in crime.
Yes there was a power grab. These two men at minute 40 speak about it.

https://youtu.be/UNRf9Pa7h94
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