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Old 05-25-2023, 06:05 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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There are people here who keep acting as if we should be living in fear due to crime. Yes, it's up. But still hugely low in historical terms.

And the other day, Colin Woodard declared us to be one of the safest big cities in America.


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I agree that by and large New York is probably safe, but there is an appearance of anarchy and disorder. This must be rectified. Everyone does better in the relatively calm environments of on the 1950's and mid-1990s through around 2015. People need to learn how to treat their neighbors and how to behave in public.
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:18 PM
 
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This “safest big city” moniker was a propaganda concoction during the Bloomberg administration in order to promote tourism. It was a great idea and worked very well. Then, a bunch of political hacks started to push the narrative to their idiot base when crime started to spike back up in NYC. “Safest big city” is a meaningless phrase.
I'll spell it out once again for the fools. The problem is almost never targeted crime for normal, every day law abiding, tax paying residents. No one cares if one gang member or drug dealer kills their rival. If 10 gang members are murdered by other gang members everyday for the next 365 days, no one would care. Similarly, no one cares if crime spikes in hood areas except for the people that live in the hood. If crime is contained in "high crime" areas, most people couldn't care how high the crime spikes.

The issue is and has always been random crime/ crime outside of (traditionally) high crime areas. When random crime increases, that's when the average person gets nervous.

This is the main drive of why there's a political element to exporting crime to the average resident. Those demographics that have to deal with high crime get a bit of schadenfreude when they see crime effect traditionally "safe" areas/demographics.
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:57 PM
 
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I'll spell it out once again for the fools. The problem is almost never targeted crime for normal, every day law abiding, tax paying residents. No one cares if one gang member or drug dealer kills their rival. If 10 gang members are murdered by other gang members everyday for the next 365 days, no one would care. Similarly, no one cares if crime spikes in hood areas except for the people that live in the hood. If crime is contained in "high crime" areas, most people couldn't care how high the crime spikes.

The issue is and has always been random crime/ crime outside of (traditionally) high crime areas. When random crime increases, that's when the average person gets nervous.

This is the main drive of why there's a political element to exporting crime to the average resident. Those demographics that have to deal with high crime get a bit of schadenfreude when they see crime effect traditionally "safe" areas/demographics.
And to think human beings are the most advanced species on this planet - yet crime seems like such a complex problem to solve, wonder why
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Old 05-25-2023, 07:07 PM
 
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And to think human beings are the most advanced species on this planet - yet crime seems like such a complex problem to solve, wonder why
Crime isn't complex but it's not "solvable" in any society let alone a (relatively) "free" society with due process. The goal is to contain it so contain it within the criminal elements of society.

My family grew up in a one party rule country (effectively a dictatorship) and there was very little crime. Why? Because an "offender" could get a 10 year sentence (effectively a life sentence) for the most banal of crimes.

Steal under $1,000 in NYC and get a slap on the wrist. Go try to steal even $5 worth of goods in Saudi Arabia and you'll be lucky if they don't chop off your hand.
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Old 05-25-2023, 07:32 PM
 
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Crime isn't complex but it's not "solvable" in any society let alone a (relatively) "free" society with due process. The goal is to contain it so contain it within the criminal elements of society.

My family grew up in a one party rule country (effectively a dictatorship) and there was very little crime. Why? Because an "offender" could get a 10 year sentence (effectively a life sentence) for the most banal of crimes.

Steal under $1,000 in NYC and get a slap on the wrist. Go try to steal even $5 worth of goods in Saudi Arabia and you'll be lucky if they don't chop off your hand.
How much crime occurs within the confines of your house? Would you say you're able to control it?
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Old 05-25-2023, 07:47 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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How much crime occurs within the confines of your house? Would you say you're able to control it?
I’m fairly certain it wasn’t your intent but this comment 100% addresses the first step to creating criminals: broken homes. Reams of data accepted by all but the most radical criminal apologists confirms this.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:17 PM
 
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How much crime occurs within the confines of your house? Would you say you're able to control it?
You make absolutely zero sense.
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Old 05-27-2023, 01:06 AM
 
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I’m fairly certain it wasn’t your intent but this comment 100% addresses the first step to creating criminals: broken homes. Reams of data accepted by all but the most radical criminal apologists confirms this.
Smh

At the end of the day, this all falls apart unless we have somebody that we can feel better than

Whats the point unless you have somebody out there that you feel you're better than
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Old 05-27-2023, 01:08 AM
 
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You make absolutely zero sense.
For you, perception is everything. Lets just leave it at that.
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Old 05-27-2023, 04:53 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Smh

At the end of the day, this all falls apart unless we have somebody that we can feel better than

Whats the point unless you have somebody out there that you feel you're better than
Whatever you say. Data is not “trying to feel better” than other people. It’s cold hard facts. Your inability to accept it does not change that reality.
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