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Old 05-27-2023, 05:18 AM
 
Location: western NY
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Crime isn't complex but it's not "solvable" in any society let alone a (relatively) "free" society with due process. The goal is to contain it so contain it within the criminal elements of society.

My family grew up in a one party rule country (effectively a dictatorship) and there was very little crime. Why? Because an "offender" could get a 10 year sentence (effectively a life sentence) for the most banal of crimes.

Steal under $1,000 in NYC and get a slap on the wrist. Go try to steal even $5 worth of goods in Saudi Arabia and you'll be lucky if they don't chop off your hand.
Good points.......
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Old 05-27-2023, 05:55 AM
 
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In 10 years, all urban centers will be Detroit.
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Old 05-27-2023, 07:39 AM
 
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NYC born-and-raised who moved away about ten years ago; used to take the subway to high school for about an hour each way. Still swing through town for about a week, about two or three times a year. Was back just this past week.

A lot of the "fear mongering" *has* to be due to what is not exactly "recency" or "selection" bias, but whatever term it is that would put a name on the fact that there are a LOT of folks in the City these days, who were NOT there in the '70's, which is to say, they're in from Kansas and where ever the heck else, and they hadn't ever actually seen life in the big city, etc., etc., etc. oh, and they have cell phones with cameras.

To wit: I was on the subway and/or bus for just shy of five hours this past Saturday, from Main St. on the #7 all the way up to Inwood and Riverdale on the A and #1, past 3 AM. During all that time I saw two (2) panhandlers come through the cars. TWO!

Seriously, in the high school days, it was one bum after the other, non-stop, non-stop on the platforms, non-stop on the cars, people throwing up, jerking off, getting ready to rob someone, *robbing* someone, etc. There is NO WAY that what I saw this time was demonstrably "worse" than how it was, forty+ years ago.

There's definitely more "coverage" of it though.
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Old 05-27-2023, 08:47 AM
 
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NYC born-and-raised who moved away about ten years ago; used to take the subway to high school for about an hour each way. Still swing through town for about a week, about two or three times a year. Was back just this past week.

A lot of the "fear mongering" *has* to be due to what is not exactly "recency" or "selection" bias, but whatever term it is that would put a name on the fact that there are a LOT of folks in the City these days, who were NOT there in the '70's, which is to say, they're in from Kansas and where ever the heck else, and they hadn't ever actually seen life in the big city, etc., etc., etc. oh, and they have cell phones with cameras.

To wit: I was on the subway and/or bus for just shy of five hours this past Saturday, from Main St. on the #7 all the way up to Inwood and Riverdale on the A and #1, past 3 AM. During all that time I saw two (2) panhandlers come through the cars. TWO!

Seriously, in the high school days, it was one bum after the other, non-stop, non-stop on the platforms, non-stop on the cars, people throwing up, jerking off, getting ready to rob someone, *robbing* someone, etc. There is NO WAY that what I saw this time was demonstrably "worse" than how it was, forty+ years ago.

There's definitely more "coverage" of it though.
I’ll tell you what I’ve written here numerous times. Saying that “it’s not as bad as forty years ago” is an asinine argument. The city got cleaned up during the Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations and many people anchor to those times. Why wouldn’t they?

I’m sure 30 years ago you made way less money than you do now. Would you take a pay cut that moves you closer to that wage?
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Old 05-27-2023, 08:50 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Exactly.

No one says, "well until the Romans, no one had running water," when their bathroom faucet stops working.

It's deflection.
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Old 05-27-2023, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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"One of the safest cities in America" doesn't mean much considering most US Cities absolutely suck.
So buy a farm and grow rutabagas.
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Old 05-27-2023, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Only criminals need to lie about and hide criminal activity.
You forgot about POLITICIANS.
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Old 05-27-2023, 12:03 PM
 
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Whatever you say. Data is not “trying to feel better” than other people. It’s cold hard facts. Your inability to accept it does not change that reality.
Data does not solve these societal problems. Numbers are great to look at, but how are they being used for everyone’s betterment
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Old 05-27-2023, 01:09 PM
 
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This “safest big city” moniker was a propaganda concoction during the Bloomberg administration in order to promote tourism. It was a great idea and worked very well. Then, a bunch of political hacks started to push the narrative to their idiot base when crime started to spike back up in NYC. “Safest big city” is a meaningless phrase.
Bingo. It's like bragging about a team who finishes 4th in a 5 team division, as hey there are worse teams.

Most cities are extremely unsafe. NYC is unsafe.
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Old 06-03-2023, 04:58 AM
 
Location: NY
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These old native New Yorkers sit all day long in their tenement buildings in Queens and talk a lot of nonsense.
That's called dementia.


My worry is the current batch of native New Yorkers putting up with and worse yet, embracing the Nonsense.
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