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Why should that region be developed any more than any other region in the area- manufacturing, tourism, forestry and ag, minerals and extraction, arts & entertainment- or what? Development would occur along infrastructure for one, and as said most of the areas with existing infrastructure in many more rural rust belt areas, have already declined. There are plenty of public community and regional development corporations in that area that surely would like to re-develop for the sake of concerned citizens just like yourself, I'm sure they can give you some real answers.
Very true....read what I said a few post back about state tax incentives. Tax incentives work in other states to get companies to locate there.....I do not see why it would not work in NY.
Because a small minority of people seem to file lawsuits and fight against them tooth-and-nail. A lot of citizens seem to rail against corporate welfare. I don't have a problem with the theory behind it, but NY is the highest (or right behind California) taxed and regulated state in the country. What exactly do people want? People complain about the higher taxes, regulations, and lack of jobs, but if any cuts or changes impacts them personally, then it's no way! The property tax cap is a big start, but the unions want to keep their pockets lined and would rather discouraged more private investment and growth.
The casino downtown, the Inner Harbor Project, the fight against relocating Children's Hospital (Buffalo) to a new facility down in the medical campus because it would take away from the current neighborhood even though it would be a bigger impact in the long-run, the Verzion data center. The list can go on.
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I left Western NY State about 33 years ago and go back to visit relatives once in a while. It is very sad because alot of the area is very beautiful. Here's my take...#1 taxes, there were alot of great companies in Rochester that left because they were offered "something", take Xerox for example left Rochester for Connecticut (not a cheap place to live or to pay workers??? but it had status). #2 - people there don't want growth. I am totally convinced of this and nothing has proved me wrong. Why haven't developers come in to the Finger Lakes Region and built high priced homes and condominium developments...that attracts people with wealth and people with wealth create wealth for others. But, I've heard over and over again, we don't want that "here". Well, Buffalo is now half the size it was a dozen years ago. People need to wake up and realize change is absolutely necessary to survive economically. Getting your groceries at Wegmans ain't gonna do it.
Xerox moved their headquarters to Connecticut, but they still have a large employee base in Rochester.
I agree with you on people not wanting it to grow. Stuck in the past. I can see the vast resources that the area has from top universities to beautiful natural landscape to a great geographical location (Toronto, NYC, Boston, and the rest of the Northeast).
I for one even though I am currently living in NYC would love to see the issues in this state change. Lets forget about the past. We need solutions that will.
A) Benefit upstate NY, spur growth (jobs, new residents, housing, high speed rail etc.) in the area.
B) Give the over 8 million people who are piled up in NYC a reason to want to live in other areas of the state. People are moving to other states because they have no place with jobs and affordable housing where they can live. This states loss is becoming other states gain!
Personally when I take a look at the fact that such a large number of people are concentrated down in NYC which has in turn left the beautiful upstate region virtually untapped it is shocking. Someone on the NYC forum said "why not just leave upstate NY the way it is"?
That statement really startled me because what it said to me is that people believe that the upstate region is beyond change. My answer to that person was that NYC is losing some of the ethnic population that helped to make it special. Population = revenue for NY state as well as NYC. Lost population means lost political muscle for the state of NY. It is the diversity of this state that makes it so great....without it we become like a lot of other places around this country.
A lot of us here in NYC are fed up with the outrageous cost of living here and paying $2000 a month for shoe box size apartments. While those of you living upstate NY are in need of progress....to me this is the recipe for a win win situation that will alleviate the problems of both regions if we all do something about it. If one part of the state is suffering we all suffer because we are all connected. Trickle down economics! This is what I am trying to make those in the NYC forum understand....having one region in a big state be prosperous while the rest of the state is stagnant is good for none of us.
Because a small minority of people seem to file lawsuits and fight against them tooth-and-nail. A lot of citizens seem to rail against corporate welfare. I don't have a problem with the theory behind it, but NY is the highest (or right behind California) taxed and regulated state in the country. What exactly do people want? People complain about the higher taxes, regulations, and lack of jobs, but if any cuts or changes impacts them personally, then it's no way! The property tax cap is a big start, but the unions want to keep their pockets lined and would rather discouraged more private investment and growth.
The casino downtown, the Inner Harbor Project, the fight against relocating Children's Hospital (Buffalo) to a new facility down in the medical campus because it would take away from the current neighborhood even though it would be a bigger impact in the long-run, the Verzion data center. The list can go on.
Xerox moved their headquarters to Connecticut, but they still have a large employee base in Rochester.
I agree with you on people not wanting it to grow. Stuck in the past. I can see the vast resources that the area has from top universities to beautiful natural landscape to a great geographical location (Toronto, NYC, Boston, and the rest of the Northeast).
I agree with you, it is sad! It is indeed such a waste to have all of this beautiful area, plenty of land and potential but yet people allow their own private agendas to get in the way of progress. But what can be done about it?
Xerox moved their headquarters to Connecticut, but they still have a large employee base in Rochester.
I agree with you on people not wanting it to grow. Stuck in the past. I can see the vast resources that the area has from top universities to beautiful natural landscape to a great geographical location (Toronto, NYC, Boston, and the rest of the Northeast).
Xerox moved their HQ to Stamford, CT in 1969, when CT was a state that had no income tax, a reason many NYC based companies moved to CT (Stamford and Greenwich in particularly since they are the CT towns/cities closest to NYC) in ensuing years.
That is far from the case now (they did away with it in 1991). CT's tax and business climate is similar to NY's (in fact in that forum they consider Malloy to be a much less business friendly governor than Cuomo). Stamford itself is almost as expensive as NYC, so in 2007 Xerox moved a couple of towns further away to Norwalk. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5-10 years they either consolidate back to Rochester (not as impossible as it seems, Proctor and Gamble recently moved Clairol's HQ from Stamford back to Cincinnati in a consolidation) or move their HQ to the South (GTE moved HQ from Wisconsin to Stamford when it was a "business magnet" but moved it to a suburb of Dallas in 2000)
I agree with you, it is sad! It is indeed such a waste to have all of this beautiful area, plenty of land and potential but yet people allow their own private agendas to get in the way of progress. But what can be done about it?
I think the only real solution, and one that is basically impossible, to split up into two states.
People need to stop thinking the jobs at the Ford plant are going to come back and that the blue-collar days will return. They're long gone.
Xerox moved their HQ to Stamford, CT in 1969, when CT was a state that had no income tax, a reason many NYC based companies moved to CT (Stamford and Greenwich in particularly since they are the CT towns/cities closest to NYC) in ensuing years.
That is far from the case now (they did away with it in 1991). CT's tax and business climate is similar to NY's (in fact in that forum they consider Malloy to be a much less business friendly governor than Cuomo). Stamford itself is almost as expensive as NYC, so in 2007 Xerox moved a couple of towns further away to Norwalk. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5-10 years they either consolidate back to Rochester (not as impossible as it seems, Proctor and Gamble recently moved Clairol's HQ from Stamford back to Cincinnati in a consolidation) or move their HQ to the South (GTE moved HQ from Wisconsin to Stamford when it was a "business magnet" but moved it to a suburb of Dallas in 2000)
If New Hampshire passes its right-to-work proposal, it's going to put a lot of pressure on the rest of the northeastern states.
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I think the only real solution, and one that is basically impossible, to split up into two states.
People need to stop thinking the jobs at the Ford plant are going to come back and that the blue-collar days will return. They're long gone.
Wow! So you think that NY state should be split into two?
The question is.....if that happened would the upstate region be able to stand on its own as a separate entity?
Wow! So you think that NY state should be split into two?
The question is.....if that happened would the upstate region be able to stand on its own as a separate entity?
The concept has been lightly brought up every few years by a local politician, but it never gains any traction.
We couldn't do any worse. It's not like it would leave the USA. I think the business environment and taxes would be much friendlier, and we would actually not have worry about NYC. The issues and people are very different.
I think the not wanting to grow aspect is more of a generational thing, to be honest. In the Syracuse, we actually have some examples of companies that began as start ups: SRC
I'm probably forgetting some others, but it something we need more of up here.
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