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Old 12-27-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Either this year or next, NY will fall behind Florida in population. The consequences of this is that New York will lose members in the House of Representatives and will also lose federal funding for a variety of projects and programs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/ny...opulation.html
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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Sounds like it's time to spike the water supply with Viagra
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:28 AM
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Either this year or next, NY will fall behind Florida in population. The consequences of this is that New York will lose members in the House of Representatives and will also lose federal funding for a variety of projects and programs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/ny...opulation.html
The comments to the article are interesting.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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Florida probably already long surpassed New York due to Florida's massive undocumented population..
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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Florida gets more immigrants than NY, plus a lot of young people like warmer weather as well. Plus keep in mind most towns in upstate NY continue to shrink after the great industrial collapse. NYC is really the only part of the state not experiencing population loss, ESPECIALLY of young people.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Let's annex Northern New Jersey.

That or there needs to be some sort of push to make people feel a lot of the rest of New York is a really attractive option.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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Let's annex Northern New Jersey.

That or there needs to be some sort of push to make people feel a lot of the rest of New York is a really attractive option.
Upstate NY is much colder than NYC, and that even affects what companies can be recruited to the area these days. There's no way to change the whether for NYS, which gives it big minuses. Also, areas like the finger lakes are far enough from NYC (4 to 6 hour drive) that being in the same state isn't a draw.

So basically, thanks to upstate NY, NY will continue to lose population. Next year Florida will be celebrating its status as the 3rd most populous state.

Oh, and warm weather cities like Miami are known as the Caribbean/Latin American city, attracting businesses and trade from the Caribbean and Latin America (including banking, shipping, media companies, etc.). Anything like that upstate? Not at all.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Everyone sees a booming NYC and assumes NYS as a whole is doing well, which is not true.

Upstate NY is hurting very badly. There is simply very little work in many towns/areas to keep young people or anyone else up there. Manufacturing is pretty much gone, Kodak and other large employers are either gone or drastically scaled down. Then there is the fact you really have to like cold weather to live up there, cause in winter you will get it and snow.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Upstate NY is hurting very badly. There is simply very little work in many towns/areas to keep young people or anyone else up there. Manufacturing is pretty much gone, Kodak and other large employers are either gone or drastically scaled down. Then there is the fact you really have to like cold weather to live up there, cause in winter you will get it and snow.
This is true, in my college town there must've been at least twenty snow days this year. My roommate said yesterday it was snowing enough for him to build a snowman. Amazing how you go two hundred miles upstate and weather changes so drastically.
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Old 12-27-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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Upstate NY is much colder than NYC, and that even affects what companies can be recruited to the area these days. There's no way to change the whether for NYS, which gives it big minuses. Also, areas like the finger lakes are far enough from NYC (4 to 6 hour drive) that being in the same state isn't a draw.

So basically, thanks to upstate NY, NY will continue to lose population. Next year Florida will be celebrating its status as the 3rd most populous state.

Oh, and warm weather cities like Miami are known as the Caribbean/Latin American city, attracting businesses and trade from the Caribbean and Latin America (including banking, shipping, media companies, etc.). Anything like that upstate? Not at all.
I don't think there's an easy way to make upstate grow anything like how Florida is growing but it could at least stem the loss. Of course there's no directed way to change the weather for the better upstate but if other conditions are improved then there can still be aarge retention of the young folks and to make areas attractive for domestic and international migrants. Canada has booming cities, and save for the west coast and the atlantic states (which are mostly not doin so well for Canada as well) has equally bad or worse weather and is nowhere near any place most of the migrants to those cities are coming from. There can be good governance and good policy good enough to attract people from warmer climates. Now is that possible for New York? Probably not easily. Upstate does have the advantage of existing infrastructure in the cities from when these cities were larger and parts of it are built pretty sturdily and done for an era when the now in vogue policies of urban planning were accepted as just how cities are built. Can that, and the cheap price of real estate and housing, be leveraged somehow into keeping and attracting residents? Maybe. It'd take a lot of work and trial and error.

I do like the state's current campaign of trying to increase tourism in the state though. It's remarkably well done for a state initiative. The targeting in part of people in NYC is a great idea. There are a lot of people who come here for an education and professional training. Trying to get these people to explore the rest of the state would greatly up the chances of planting the seed for relocating upstate for the large number of people who spend years living and working in NYC but find that want a different lifestyle but still in less than a days'd drive or train ride to the city for visits or to do business. It's personay worked put pretty well for me in that I have made friends here who have moved to or returned to parts upstate where visiting them as a retreat from NYC has been great, especially during summer.

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