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“ Chick-fil-A’s Closed-on-Sunday Policy Prompts a Highway Rest Stop Revolt
New York’s overhaul of its busy Thruway stops includes several Chick-fil-A restaurants. But lawmakers appear to be too late to force a change in the chain’s business hours.”
“ Chick-fil-A’s Closed-on-Sunday Policy Prompts a Highway Rest Stop Revolt
New York’s overhaul of its busy Thruway stops includes several Chick-fil-A restaurants. But lawmakers appear to be too late to force a change in the chain’s business hours.”
The problem is that the bill isn't about current Chik-Fil-A locations.
"The proposed legislation applies only to future Chick-fil-A locations at transportation rest stops owned by the state and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Existing Chick-fil-A restaurants not located at these rest stops would not be affected. However, future Chick-fil-A locations set to open on the Thruway would fall under the scope of this bill, impacting new establishments and contracts."
Meaning, if the bill is put in place, both parties should now be aware of the circumstances in regards to setting up on the Thruway or Port Authority in the future.
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The problem is that the bill isn't about current Chik-Fil-A locations.
Did you read the article ? I been making this point the entire time and they finally admitted it and this mind you is the New York Times shockingly doing fair reporting.
“ Its sponsors confirmed on Wednesday that this meant the Thruway’s seven Chick-fil-A restaurants — and any additional locations opened by Applegreen under the current contract — could stay closed on Sundays, even if the bill passed. The sponsors acknowledged that they were not fans of the chain or its social views“
They cannot touch chick fil a with their contracts in place. Nice to see them admit it.
They mentioned chick fil a directly in the bill and ironically admit they finally seem to concede they can’t force them open anyways.
Last edited by 94nasupra; 01-01-2024 at 09:16 PM..
Did you read the article ? I been making this point the entire time and they finally admitted it and this mind you is the New York Times shockingly doing fair reporting.
“ Its sponsors confirmed on Wednesday that this meant the Thruway’s seven Chick-fil-A restaurants — and any additional locations opened by Applegreen under the current contract — could stay closed on Sundays, even if the bill passed. The sponsors acknowledged that they were not fans of the chain or its social views“
They cannot touch chick fil a with their contracts in place. Nice to see them admit it.
Umm, you obviously didn't read the articles posted before, as it is for FUTURE situations, which was explained in the previous posts.
So, your article, which you can't read and frankly, didn't have to know what it would be about, just verifies what was stated in other articles in the thread.
Umm, you obviously didn't read the articles posted before, as it is for FUTURE situations, which was explained in the previous posts.
So, your article, which you can't read and frankly, didn't have to know what it would be about, just verifies what was stated in other articles in the thread.
Your right. So in 31 more years this bill will take effect for chick fil a. I’m glad we cleared this up. They signed a 33 year contract
So, the article answers tge question or validates the point about this only referring to Thruway/Port Authority locations and that this is about revenue for those agencies, which I think most(if not all) people knew was the case. Let alone that it is about newer contracts/locations in both locations.
Like you mentioned, many of the Thruway exits have some form of restaurant(s) nearby. So, if you are heading westbound from say Utica to Geneva on a Sunday and the Chittenango service area’s Chik Fil A is closed(there is a Starbucks), if you go two exits further(Syracuse/East Syracuse), you run into multiple options on Thompson Road to Erie Boulevard East. You could even hop on I-690 from there to get across Syracuse and catch the Thruway at the Baldwinsville/Fulton exit. So, there are ways around it, if one is familiar with the restaurants near the exits.
If the bill was truely about thruway drivers always having a choice, then why doesn't the thruway authority post signage or maybe an ap for resturants, or even villages within x miles of an interchange. there are unique stores and shops, and antiques, etc, all along the thruway. A lot of money is being left on the table for both merchants and the taxman.
Grandfathered or not, nothing carrying an interstate shield should ever have have tolls. If you want to toll the roads to pay for them, why do we pay fuel tax? You can toll all you want if you ditched the existing scheme we have to pay for road maintenance.
Couldn't agree more.
The tolls weren't created for maintenance. They were created to pay for the cost of building the road. Of course, once a bureaucracy is created, it never gets disbanded.
If not for the Erie Canal, the tolls would have disappeared in the 90s as promised. It would be fair to say that the tolls we pay since the bonds were paid off aren't for Thruway maintenance. They are to support the Erie Canal. If government were accountable, there would be a lawsuit against the state for bond fraud.
Government mismanagement, corruption, and shady accounting practices may present the numbers differently, but that's the reality of the situation. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
If the bill was truely about thruway drivers always having a choice, then why doesn't the thruway authority post signage or maybe an ap for resturants, or even villages within x miles of an interchange. there are unique stores and shops, and antiques, etc, all along the thruway. A lot of money is being left on the table for both merchants and the taxman.
There are signs along the Thruway for destinations at near upcoming exits.
That would defeat the point, as that is money spend off of the Thruway Authority's jurisdiction. Though, it would help those travelling, if they aren't familiar with restaurants that are near an exit like say the Arby's just off of the Weedsport exit or the McDonald's near the Canastota exit. With that said and as mentioned, the point is more about revenue related to the Thruway Authority, without having to search for a restaurant off the Thruway(aka convenience).
There are signs along the Thruway for destinations at near upcoming exits.
That would defeat the point, as that is money spend off of the Thruway Authority's jurisdiction. Though, it would help those travelling, if they aren't familiar with restaurants that are near an exit like say the Arby's just off of the Weedsport exit or the McDonald's near the Canastota exit. With that said and as mentioned, the point is more about revenue related to the Thruway Authority, without having to search for a restaurant off the Thruway(aka convenience).
The parts I bolded are an excellent summation of what's wrong with the state (and country).
No public service like the Thruway should be operated as a "for profit" entity. The roads are for the taxpayers, not a profit making venture for the state. The state shouldn't have a financial interest in whether people eat on or off the highway. "Though it would also help those travelling" should be their ONLY concern.
If these goons could make it in the private sector they wouldn't be living off our tax money. They don't have the skills (the CFA situation proves that) to operate like a business, so they shouldn't even try.
As to what the tolls fund... as I wrote, they can spin the numbers any way they like. Without the Erie Canal situation, there would be no tolls. The Thruway money would come from somewhere else, as it should, as was planned, and as was promised. Instead, the already paid taxes that _should_ be for road maintenance are wasted somewhere else making the tolls necessary.
I could charge your $100 and tell you it is for food. It also means the $100 I budgeted for food can be turned into $1 bills and wasted at a strip club. You didn't pay for food... you paid for the stripper. That's exactly what's happening in Albany.
The parts I bolded are an excellent summation of what's wrong with the state (and country).
No public service like the Thruway should be operated as a "for profit" entity. The roads are for the taxpayers, not a profit making venture for the state. The state shouldn't have a financial interest in whether people eat on or off the highway. "Though it would also help those travelling" should be their ONLY concern.
If these goons could make it in the private sector they wouldn't be living off our tax money. They don't have the skills (the CFA situation proves that) to operate like a business, so they shouldn't even try.
As to what the tolls fund... as I wrote, they can spin the numbers any way they like. Without the Erie Canal situation, there would be no tolls. The Thruway money would come from somewhere else, as it should, as was planned, and as was promised. Instead, the already paid taxes that _should_ be for road maintenance are wasted somewhere else making the tolls necessary.
I could charge your $100 and tell you it is for food. It also means the $100 I budgeted for food can be turned into $1 bills and wasted at a strip club. You didn't pay for food... you paid for the stripper. That's exactly what's happening in Albany.
The thing is that the Thruway is pay for usage road and includes funding from out of state vehicles. So, if anything, not all taxpayers pay for the road, unless they drive on it.
As mentioned, this all about revenue and unless one is not familiar with what is available off of the exits, the service stops will be the main option while travelling on the Thruway.
As for the tolls and the Erie Canal, you also have this article from 2016...
"A federal judge ruled Wednesday that New York cannot use toll revenue from the state Thruway to fund its canal system.
The ruling was a victory for truckers, who sued and claimed Thruway tolls shouldn't be directed to subsidize anything other than the 570-mile superhighway.
But the decision may be moot: The state earlier this year took the canals off the Thruway's books and moved them to the control of the state Power Authority.
Thruway spokeswoman Jennifer Givner said the authority is "reviewing this decision and evaluating our next steps."
"Separate and apart from this issue, the governor and the Legislature approved the transfer of the Canal Corp. to the New York Power Authority (NYPA) in this year’s budget," Givner said in a statement.
"Since April 1, NYPA has been funding the Canal Corp’s operations and the per the legislation, the transfer will be completed Jan. 1."
The court case came after decades of debate about whether the Thruway should be the owners of the 525-mile canal system, which is no longer the commercial thoroughfare it once was and is mainly used for recreation.
Truckers praised the ruling.
"The courts and Constitution were clear: Revenue from tolls must be spent maintaining the roads they’re collected on and not diverted to finance bike paths and waterways for recreational kayaking and canoeing,” Chris Spear, CEO of the American Trucking Associations, which brought the lawsuit, said in a statement
“We hope today’s ruling will not only end this practice in New York, but dissuade other states from financing their budget shortfalls on the backs of our industry.”
The state Legislature and Gov. Andrew Cuomo agreed earlier this year to shift control of the canals to the Power Authority -- a move aimed at helping the financially strapped Thruway Authority, which has been saddled with funding the canals' operations.
The canals, which include the Erie Canal that connects the Hudson River to Lake Erie, have been a drain on the Thruway Authority since the state put it in charge of the canals in 1992.
The Thruway has spent $1.1 billion on the canals since 1992, and almost of all it came from tolls -- which represents about 95 percent of the Thruway's total revenue.
The lawsuit pointed out that the Thruway spends at least $65 million a year on upkeep of the canals, but the canals only contribute on average about $2 million a year in revenue.
Chief Judge Colleen McMahon of the Southern District in Manhattan said the truckers were correct to raise issue with how the canals are paid for.
She ruled the canals' funding system violates the federal Dormant Commerce Clause -- which prohibits a state from burdening interstate commerce.
"The state of New York cannot insulate the canal system from the vagaries of the political process and taxpayer preferences by imposing the cost of its upkeep on those who drive the New York Thruway in interstate commerce," McMahon wrote.
She called the canals "a jewel in the crown of the Empire State" and of "great benefit to the state of New York and its residents -- upstate and down."
Yet the funding of them is the problem, McMahon continued.
The Trucking Association of New York praised the ruling.
"For years the trucking industry has seen their toll dollars used to support the canal system -- a system they do not use -- rather than being invested back into the Thruway," said Kendra Hems, the group's president."
What is interesting from the truckers end, is that there is the New York Mileage Tax and Thruway Exemption...
"Excluded and exempt vehicles
Not all motor vehicles using New York State highways are required to pay highway use tax.
Excluded vehicles: Buses, highway construction and maintenance vehicles, and other vehicles are excluded from highway use tax.
Exempt vehicles: Emergency, farm, recreational, and other vehicles are exempt.
For more information, see Tax Bulletin Excluded and Exempt Vehicles – Highway Use Tax (TB-HU-245)."
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