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Without NOVA, Virginia is still wealthier than NC. NC’s wealthiest county (based on median income) would be Virginia’s 19th. Of those 19, 6 are located outside of Northern Virginia. So subtracting NOVA (because unlike every other state it’s always demanded that VA shed its most
prosperous and educated metro) Virginia is still wealthier than NC.
Virginia is more educated across the entire commonwealth too. If you exclude NOVA (ludicrous) Virginia is still a more educated state.
Virginia has independent cities that don't belong to counties. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Right. NC doesn't get to count Cary, Weddington, Chapel Hill, Carrboro, Davidson, etc as counties. And it seems misleading for VA to do it. Just categorize counties and independent cities separately.
Bull malarkey. Located in Virginia counties are towns too. Those towns (for lack of a better word) if separated out from the counties in which they are located would also rank higher than the counties in which they are located (you can separate out Short Pump from Henrico and Midlothian from chesterfield and they would be even wealthier and more educated than their counties as a whole, for example).
Carrboro is in Orange County. Why should it get separated out from Orange when Short Pump isn’t? Henrico, Virginia’s 18th wealthiest jurisdiction (and only one of the 17 wealthier locations is NOT a county or city equivalent, Falls Church is the sole outlier), has a median income of $70k. That’s factoring in the poorer areas of eastern Henrico. Short Pump would be higher on its own. Orange County (including Carrboro) is NC’s wealthiest jurisdiction. The median income is $71k. The median income of Chesterfield is $82k. Midlothian on its own would be even higher.
City/county is irrelevant and the independent city status hurts Virginia stats if anything (cites are where services and infrastructure exist to support poorer people, without large swatch’s of suburbia to beef up the stats). The poorest counties in NC are poorer than the poorest in VA and the wealthiest counties are much wealthier.
NC is no slouch, for sure….but Virginia, with and without NOVA, either matches NC or clobbers it.
So Spencer states that Virginia has wealthier counties than North Carolina does while not realizing that his other assertion, about how Virginia's independent city status hurts the state, actually makes the counties appear stronger than they really are.
And then on top of that he cherry picks affluent zip codes in the counties to make them appear like they can be held up as independent entities. That is disingenuous.
Here's the reality -- there's disproportionate amount of low income people residing in cities vs. counties. This goes for the nation as a whole.
Going by Spencer's token, then North Carolina's cities are way wealthier (and more educated) than Virginia's cities. Everyone knows NoVa cities are not truly Virginian cities, they are Washington suburbs.
You can't compare the two states on a county or city-by-city level without first standardizing the data.
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Besides, Virginia outside of NoVa is more like South Carolina than the hyper-urbanized North Carolina. We share more culture and history with South Carolina and the make up of the state is a lot more similar, with a lot of rural land between cities vs. the smattering of town/cities in NC. Richmond and Charleston are also two of the big Old South cities with historical ties.
North Carolina on the other hand is a lot more similar to Maryland than it is to Virginia.
Bull malarkey. Located in Virginia counties are towns too. Those towns (for lack of a better word) if separated out from the counties in which they are located would also rank higher than the counties in which they are located (you can separate out Short Pump from Henrico and Midlothian from chesterfield and they would be even wealthier and more educated than their counties as a whole, for example).
Carrboro is in Orange County. Why should it get separated out from Orange when Short Pump isn’t? Henrico, Virginia’s 18th wealthiest jurisdiction (and only one of the 17 wealthier locations is NOT a county or city equivalent, Falls Church is the sole outlier), has a median income of $70k. That’s factoring in the poorer areas of eastern Henrico. Short Pump would be higher on its own. Orange County (including Carrboro) is NC’s wealthiest jurisdiction. The median income is $71k. The median income of Chesterfield is $82k. Midlothian on its own would be even higher.
City/county is irrelevant and the independent city status hurts Virginia stats if anything (cites are where services and infrastructure exist to support poorer people, without large swatch’s of suburbia to beef up the stats). The poorest counties in NC are poorer than the poorest in VA and the wealthiest counties are much wealthier.
NC is no slouch, for sure….but Virginia, with and without NOVA, either matches NC or clobbers it.
My whole point is that categorizing independent cities along with counties for VA and then saying "X number of counties in VA outside NoVA are richer than NC's richest county" is misleading and absolutely not apples-to-apples when those "counties" include independent cities. I don't see how a reasonable person could even disagree with that.
Bull malarkey. Located in Virginia counties are towns too. Those towns (for lack of a better word) if separated out from the counties in which they are located would also rank higher than the counties in which they are located (you can separate out Short Pump from Henrico and Midlothian from chesterfield and they would be even wealthier and more educated than their counties as a whole, for example).
Carrboro is in Orange County. Why should it get separated out from Orange when Short Pump isn’t? Henrico, Virginia’s 18th wealthiest jurisdiction (and only one of the 17 wealthier locations is NOT a county or city equivalent, Falls Church is the sole outlier), has a median income of $70k. That’s factoring in the poorer areas of eastern Henrico. Short Pump would be higher on its own. Orange County (including Carrboro) is NC’s wealthiest jurisdiction. The median income is $71k. The median income of Chesterfield is $82k. Midlothian on its own would be even higher.
City/county is irrelevant and the independent city status hurts Virginia stats if anything (cites are where services and infrastructure exist to support poorer people, without large swatch’s of suburbia to beef up the stats). The poorest counties in NC are poorer than the poorest in VA and the wealthiest counties are much wealthier.
NC is no slouch, for sure….but Virginia, with and without NOVA, either matches NC or clobbers it.
Why not use Wake County for the comparison? Take Raleigh out of the equation like would happen in VA, and Wake County looks even better on paper. Actually Wake is NC's wealthiest county, and its burbs alone would only inflate Wake's data. Orange County is a small county, but Wake brings wealth on a large scale as North Carolina's most populated county at over 1.1 Million.
Wake's larger towns besides Raleigh.
Cary: 175,000 @ ~$107K per household (already larger than any single city in South Carolina)
Apex: 60,000 @ ~113K per household
Holly Springs: 41,000 @ ~$111K per household
Morrisville: 30,000 @ ~100K per household
Wake Forest: 48,000 @ ~100K per household
Fuquay-Varina: 35,000 @ ~82K per household
Garner: 31,000 @ ~68K per household
As you can see, Wake's largest non-Raleigh suburban municipalities are the ones bringing in the largest median household incomes.
Income approximations are taken directly from the Census website.
According to a new Human Rights Campaign poll, 66% of North Carolinians support the legalization of same-sex marriage, whereas only 50% of South Carolinians do. 71% of Virginians support same-sex marriage legalization.
According to a new Human Rights Campaign poll, 66% of North Carolinians support the legalization of same-sex marriage, whereas only 50% of South Carolinians do. 71% of Virginians support same-sex marriage legalization.
To be fair, many South Carolinians are just fine with homosexuality. It's just that the whole marriage thing puts them at odds with their religious beliefs. Personally, I'm non religious and I support marriage rights to all. Not everyone is "there" yet (and may never be).
According to a new Human Rights Campaign poll, 66% of North Carolinians support the legalization of same-sex marriage, whereas only 50% of South Carolinians do. 71% of Virginians support same-sex marriage legalization.
I'm confused by the framing of the question since same-sex marriage has been legal in the U.S. for about a decade or so now. Is the question really about keeping it legal via legislation as opposed to overturning Obgerfell (sp?) v Hodges?
I'm also pretty sure that SC is only at 50% (I'm surprised we rank lower than OK here) primarily because of the Upstate. SC would be reliably blue if they weren't part of the state.
To be fair, many South Carolinians are just fine with homosexuality. It's just that the whole marriage thing puts them at odds with their religious beliefs. Personally, I'm non religious and I support marriage rights to all. Not everyone is "there" yet (and may never be).
True, they even have a gay Senator!
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