Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Are all transexuals homosexuals? What sort of operation do women have to make them transexuals rather than transvestites? Where do the body parts come from - cadavres?
If someone is a homosexual, dresses and acts like their imagined alter-gender, and wants to surgically alter genitals and physical attributes, is that person considered psychiatrically normal?
Without a link, no one knows what you're referring to.
Actually, most of us who are arguing against HB2 do know what she's referring to because we want to be educated about a subject before discussing it. You are perfectly capable of googling the bill, you are just choosing not to. Maybe you don't really want to be educated about it and would rather keep harping on the preteen girl in the locker room angle?
Here's the pertinent (to this thread) portions of the DOJ's letter to all public schools:
Quote:
May 13, 2016
As a condition of receiving Federal funds, a school agrees that it will not exclude, separate, deny benefits
to, or otherwise treat differently on the basis of sex any person in its educational programs or activities
unless expressly authorized to do so under Title IX or its implementing regulations.
Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite
to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Sex-Segregated Activities and Facilities
When a school provides sex-segregated activities and facilities, transgender students must be allowed to
participate in such activities and access such facilities consistent with their gender identity.
Restrooms and Locker Rooms.
A school may provide separate facilities on the basis of sex, but must allow transgender students access to such facilities consistent with their gender identity. A
school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so.
Athletics.
Title IX regulations permit a school to operate or sponsor sex-segregated athletics teams
when selection for such teams is based upon competitive skill or when the activity involved is a
contact sport. A school may not, however, adopt or adhere to requirements that rely on overly
broad generalizations or stereotypes about the differences between transgender students and
other students of the same sex (i.e., the same gender identity) or others’ discomfort with
transgender students.
Housing and Overnight Accommodations.
Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on
the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with
their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy
accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students.
Catherine E. Lhamon Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights
U.S. Department of Education
Vanita Gupta Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights
U.S. Department of Justice
Again, do you know what all is in the bill? Do you think it's a good thing that all NC residents who are discriminated against cannot file a suit in a state court?
Yes, it's a very good thing. Discrimination laws are based on the flawed premise that a government should decide who people hire, pay and do business with. Freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of enterprise are interdependent. If a government wants to set its own standards for employment, that's fine, but no private citizen should be forced to hire, employee and pay certain wage levels to anyone. There is no such thing as an inalienable right to a specific job or wage.
HB2 was a step in the right direction. The weakest component, from a perspective of personal freedom, was superseding local control. Despite that, they were able to prevent Charlotte's attempt to remove the right of business owners to control the use of their own restrooms and showers.
Maybe you don't really want to be educated about it and would rather keep harping on the preteen girl in the locker room angle?
All angles are important when it comes to new laws. Legislation comes with unintended consequences and you don't strengthen your argument by dismissing the concerns of many.
Yes, it's a very good thing. Discrimination laws are based on the flawed premise that a government should decide who people hire, pay and do business with. Freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of enterprise are interdependent. If a government wants to set its own standards for employment, that's fine, but no private citizen should be forced to hire, employee and pay certain wage levels to anyone. There is no such thing as an inalienable right to a specific job or wage.
HB2 was a step in the right direction. The weakest component, from a perspective of personal freedom, was superseding local control. Despite that, they were able to prevent Charlotte's attempt to remove the right of business owners to control the use of their own restrooms and showers.
When I was young, it was legal to deny employment to people based on race, age, & gender, rather than ability. That's what you are advocating that we return to.
When I was young, it was legal to deny employment to people based on race, age, & gender, rather than ability. That's what you are advocating that we return to.
Yep. People still don't hire people based on those things. It's silly to make them come up with lies to justify it just to avoid lawsuits based on discrimination laws.
My mother was recently fired for being too old and she didn't sue. People should be free to hire and not hire whoever they want.
Not that lawsuits can't be a good thing. They're a necessary and important control on abuses by business and government. We just don't need to enshrine a bunch of protected classes and "pick favorites" through laws. Justice can't be determined based on legislated quotas or artificial diversity. More often then not, these things ensure injustice.
Discrimination laws are based on the flawed premise that a government should decide who people hire, pay and do business with. Freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of enterprise are interdependent. If a government wants to set its own standards for employment, that's fine, but no private citizen should be forced to hire, employee and pay certain wage levels to anyone. There is no such thing as an inalienable right to a specific job or wage.
Wow, just wow. You are so wrong on so many levels. I thought about addressing the false assumptions in your post, but then I thought "What's the use"? Probably better just let it go, and leave you to wallow in the ignorance of your words.
I will say this: No one has an inalienable right to deny the inalienable rights of others. That's the foundation of our system of laws, as it should be.
I will say this: No one has an inalienable right to deny the inalienable rights of others. That's the foundation of our system of laws, as it should be.
Like Charlotte's denial of businesses the right to provide separate shower facilities for each gender? Or do you mean the denial of the right of people to frequent facilities and businesses that guarantee privacy through separating genders?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.