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At that rate Charlotte could surpass Atlanta with its downtown and midtown skyline in terms of the number of towers. Atlanta does have a third skyline and that is Buckhead. Eventually we may see the same think happen with Charlotte in either the South Park or Ballantyne area. In any case Charlotte will firmly cement its status of having the biggest skyline in the state. I just don't see any other city in North Carolina ever having that many towers not even Raleigh. If it weren't for height restrictions, we'd probably see some 40 to 50 story towers in downtown Raleigh. But North Hills in Raleigh seems like its a hotter market than downtown at the moment.
There are some view angles that show Buckhead, Midtown and Downtown Atlanta as one skyline and its impressive. Looks Manhattan or Chicago like in terms of its overall distance. Ranking downtown skylines in the Southeast, Miami ranks number 1, Atlanta ranks number 2 and Charlotte ranks number 3.
Should note there is no tower height ban in Raleigh just really ban zoning laws created by a previous NIMBY city council.
If a developer wanted to build over 40 stories in downtown Raleigh or anywhere else, they will need to apply for Planned Development zoning (PD). It's a more stringent review of a project but if someone really wanted to build a 60 story tower in Raleigh they could. Raleigh just isn't ready for 60 story towers yet--maybe in a decade once all these planned tower projects are finished and the population skyrockets.
This is a photo that shows a few new towers that are to be built rendered into this photo as Massings though I believe most new towers (over 10 20-floor buildings) aren’t visible from this angle as they will be on the other side of the skyline.
Clayton Sealey of Axios Charlotte is working on renderings I imagine will be published as an article.
At that rate Charlotte could surpass Atlanta with its downtown and midtown skyline in terms of the number of towers. Atlanta does have a third skyline and that is Buckhead. Eventually we may see the same think happen with Charlotte in either the South Park or Ballantyne area. In any case Charlotte will firmly cement its status of having the biggest skyline in the state. I just don't see any other city in North Carolina ever having that many towers not even Raleigh. If it weren't for height restrictions, we'd probably see some 40 to 50 story towers in downtown Raleigh. But North Hills in Raleigh seems like its a hotter market than downtown at the moment.
There are some view angles that show Buckhead, Midtown and Downtown Atlanta as one skyline and its impressive. Looks Manhattan or Chicago like in terms of its overall distance. Ranking downtown skylines in the Southeast, Miami ranks number 1, Atlanta ranks number 2 and Charlotte ranks number 3.
Charlotte firmly cemented its status of having the biggest skyline in the state a long time ago.
Charlotte firmly cemented its status of having the biggest skyline in the state a long time ago.
Yeah. Even without those "massings" rendered into that photo of downtown Charlotte, its skyline is clearly significantly larger than anything else in NC...sorta by a long shot. I haven't kept up with Charlotte development at all, so if those massings actually end up being built in those locations that would be sick. Reeeeally spreads the skyline. I hope Charlotte continues to expand its downtown to those farther outskirts of the current core.
At that rate Charlotte could surpass Atlanta with its downtown and midtown skyline in terms of the number of towers. Atlanta does have a third skyline and that is Buckhead. Eventually we may see the same think happen with Charlotte in either the South Park or Ballantyne area. In any case Charlotte will firmly cement its status of having the biggest skyline in the state. I just don't see any other city in North Carolina ever having that many towers not even Raleigh. If it weren't for height restrictions, we'd probably see some 40 to 50 story towers in downtown Raleigh. But North Hills in Raleigh seems like its a hotter market than downtown at the moment.
There are some view angles that show Buckhead, Midtown and Downtown Atlanta as one skyline and its impressive. Looks Manhattan or Chicago like in terms of its overall distance. Ranking downtown skylines in the Southeast, Miami ranks number 1, Atlanta ranks number 2 and Charlotte ranks number 3.
Just to clarify, North Hills is a single-developer over a small fiefdom, and really isn’t comparable to Downtown Raleigh apples-to-apples. Though even then, Kane is also beginning to build a multi-billion development downtown. But even beyond Downtown South, there is Smokey Hollow, the Creamery buildings, Seaboard Station, the RUSBUS towers, 400 Hillsborough, and half-a-dozen other proposals. North Hills/Midtown will absolutely fill out, but I don’t think it’s hotter per se, it’s just an easier process on a smaller footprint.
There's absolutely no way to predict what the high-rise market in Raleigh will look like in a few years--unlike the past 20 years where development has been dominated by local companies--since about 2018 there's been an influx of out-of-state outfits looking to cement their present in North Carolina and Raleigh will be one of their key markets. With a lot of capital and resources Kane and Highwoods can only dream of having.
The 33 story Creamery tower coming to Glenwood South & Logan's Seaboard Station site (Turnbridge - New York), 35 story RUSBUS (Hoffman - DC), 20-story 301H tower (Fallon - Boston), 20-story 400H (Trammell Crow - Texas), 20-story 320 West South Street (Capital Square - Richmond, VA), The Nexus project (Acquisition Group - California), Bloc 83 (Heritage Properties - Maryland), 20-story Lincoln-Pope block project (Tidal Real Estate Partners - New York), and about 8 other New York developers have recently made land purchases around downtown Raleigh and Midtown--a few of which has been actively rezoning properties up to 40 stories in downtown.
In fact, from what I have been told, the only reason 400H even broke ground at all was because Trammell Crow needed a foot in the door. Without outside investment this proposal would have been on hold of years.
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There's absolutely no way to predict what the high-rise market in Raleigh will look like in a few years--unlike the past 20 years where development has been dominated by local companies--since about 2018 there's been an influx of out-of-state outfits looking to cement their present in North Carolina and Raleigh will be one of their key markets. With a lot of capital and resources Kane and Highwoods can only dream of having.
The 33 story Creamery tower coming to Glenwood South (Turnbridge - New York), 35 story RUSBUS (Hoffman - DC), 20-story 301H tower (Fallon - Boston), 20-story 400H & Logan's Seaboard Station site (Trammell Crow - Texas), 20-story 320 West South Street (Capital Square - Richmond, VA), The Nexus project (Acquisition Group - California), Bloc 83 (Heritage Properties - Maryland), 20-story Lincoln-Pope block project (Tidal Real Estate Partners - New York), and about 8 other New York developers have recently made land purchases around downtown Raleigh and Midtown--a few of which has been actively rezoning properties up to 40 stories in downtown.
In fact, from what I have been told, the only reason 400H even broke ground at all was because Trammell Crow needed a foot in the door. Without outside investment this proposal would have been on hold of years.
Very good points. This is only a fraction of the things that have been proposed or are in the pipeline. If even only a handful of these developments see the light of day, Raleigh's skyline will look very different in the coming years. Not to mention how street level energy will be amazing, considering how dense downtown and midtown will become. I'm already seeing a vibe that is energetic and characteristic of other larger metropolitan cities.
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The Greensboro area has been getting some great economic news over the past few weeks and the kind of job numbers the area is about to see could lead to a more rapid population growth.
First Toyota plans to build a battery plant at the Greensboro-Randolph Megasite starting out with 1,700 new jobs but will end up being over 3,800 jobs after phase 2 on the megasite. Phase 2 would likely mean an electric car assembly plant next to the battery plant. Officials have called the Greensboro-Randolph Megasite a "campus" site for Toyota.
Secondly a major unidentified aircraft manufacturer is looking at Piedmont Triad International Airport for an aircraft manufacturing facility. State leaders who know the identity of the company have said there is about a 75% chance this is coming to PTI and that it would be transformative for the Greensboro area. The aircraft manufacturing facility would bring 1,700 jobs to PTI. These would be high paying jobs along with the Toyota facility. PTI is already the world headquarters for Honda Aircraft Company which also has a jet manufacturing facility at the airport (HondaJet).
Lastly, Amazon is planning to build a 2-million-square-foot fulfillment center in Greensboro just off of I-85. It will employ 2,000 people and would be twice the size of the Amazon fulfillment center in western Guilford County in Kernersville. This doesn't sound as sexy as the Toyota plant and the aircraft manufacturing facility and won't pay as much money but it is a sign the Greensboro area is about to experience major growth in the upcoming years leading to an increase in the median income and population growth.
Between the three projects the Greensboro area will be getting about 7,500 new jobs and this doesn't include spin-off associated jobs coming from building these facilities with suppliers and other associated industries.
The Greensboro area has been getting some great economic news over the past few weeks and the kind of job numbers the area is about to see could lead to a more rapid population growth.
First Toyota plans to build a battery plant at the Greensboro-Randolph Megasite starting out with 1,700 new jobs but will end up being over 3,800 jobs after phase 2 on the megasite. Phase 2 would likely mean an electric car assembly plant next to the battery plant. Officials have called the Greensboro-Randolph Megasite a "campus" site for Toyota.
Secondly a major unidentified aircraft manufacturer is looking at Piedmont Triad International Airport for an aircraft manufacturing facility. State leaders who know the identity of the company have said there is about a 75% chance this is coming to PTI and that it would be transformative for the Greensboro area. The aircraft manufacturing facility would bring 1,700 jobs to PTI. These would be high paying jobs along with the Toyota facility. PTI is already the world headquarters for Honda Aircraft Company which also has a jet manufacturing facility at the airport (HondaJet).
Lastly, Amazon is planning to build a 2-million-square-foot fulfillment center in Greensboro just off of I-85. It will employ 2,000 people and would be twice the size of the Amazon fulfillment center in western Guilford County in Kernersville. This doesn't sound as sexy as the Toyota plant and the aircraft manufacturing facility and won't pay as much money but it is a sign the Greensboro area is about to experience major growth in the upcoming years leading to an increase in the median income and population growth.
Between the three projects the Greensboro area will be getting about 7,500 new jobs and this doesn't include spin-off associated jobs coming from building these facilities with suppliers and other associated industries.
That’s a big deal.
There’s many real world changes that will likely happen to the Triad. Both cities could probably get a signature tower or 2 that make Winston & GSO look mature. Even beyond that, it’s hard to quantify how these job announcements will better the triad as the growth of cities really comes down to good paying jobs. And this is Yuge.
As purely a fan of urbanity and such - I know this is unlikely if not 0% chance - but it’d be cool if the Triad had a single transit rail authority. Greensboro had a heavy rail line, Winston Salem had a heavy rail line and then a 3 heavy rail line that went thru GSO, connecting to the airport and points in between and going through Winston.
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