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Elk....It is hard to offer opposite opinions to a moderator....But, I think the reason some folks are defending their opinions is because the concern was challenged. I welcome this lively discussion. Speaking only for myself, I sometimes get a little bored w/ only having threads related to job questions. I found this article very interesting. I hope it continues to bring comments.
A wise man once said..... all knowledge is by comparison.
This article brings several issues of concern imo. And, to touch on an earlier comment....Clarifying horizontal drilling...it is horizontal....diagonally...not straight down. I think it is great that N.D. and the Military are being forward thinking and discussing the safety issues relative to infrastructure and the underlying issues, and making us aware. Folks should be educated about all issues that affect their resident state. I welcome all opinions, it only enhances the discussion.
To me, the articles serve as a warning that just because some govt official says everything is "a-okay", it doesn't mean everything IS "a-okay". Accidents and mistakes happen, and if an accident or mistake were to happen and it triggered something to go wrong with a nuclear missile - well, that would be a little bit more that just a minor mishap. And, being the skeptic that I am, I sometimes wonder that if something were to happen and they could hide it from the public, I think they just might. I am a bit shocked at myself for not thinking of the missiles before reading JanND's link this morning - those things are all around us in my area.
Elk....It is hard to offer opposite opinions to a moderator....But, I think the reason some folks are defending their opinions is because the concern was challenged. I welcome this lively discussion. Speaking only for myself, I sometimes get a little bored w/ only having threads related to job questions. I found this article very interesting. I hope it continues to bring comments.A wise man once said..... all knowledge is by comparison.
This article brings several issues of concern imo. And, to touch on an earlier comment....Clarifying horizontal drilling...it is horizontal....diagonally...not straight down. I think it is great that N.D. and the Military are being forward thinking and discussing the safety issues relative to infrastructure and the underlying issues, and making us aware. Folks should be educated about all issues that affect their resident state. I welcome all opinions, it only enhances the discussion.
It shouldn't make any difference. I am a participant in these threads also. If I see data, that I know to be wrong, or the person misinformed, I'm going to speak up. Just like everybody else does.
If I am speaking as a mod, I usually post in all red, or remove the post. Either way, I'm speaking as a mod when that happens, and you will know it.
I am very concerned about sensationalized news hitting the street and freaking people out.
When I was in the USN, I was standing Officer of the Day at the base. Out in front of the base a box fell off a truck. Because it was marked USNavy, a passerby turned it in to my office. It was a box of ring clamps used on the handling boom for torpedo's. However, the person that brought it, run straight to the news with his side of the story. The news came out and said, "Detonators for Nukes were found just laying in middle of the street." They later retracted the article, however, the damage was done because everybody reads the headlines, but nobody reads the 1/2 tall articla on page 37 at the bottom that says, "Ooops, we made a mistake".
I agree. It is human nature to not want to admit to one's mistakes. Be it in one's personal life, work, the military, etc. Often, the cover up effort is more work than just admitting the mistake.
Well, I appreciate your response to my post. I deliberately didn't comment when I first posted this thread and the article...just the Hmmmm. I want to see what folks have to say after they read the article, which was in the local newspaper. I still hope more folks will respond w/ their thoughts.
Well I am sure once our POTUS sees the article an executive order will be issued to shut down all Oil and Natural Gas Exploration within a safe Radius of all Missile Silo's of at least 250 miles!
Elk....It is hard to offer opposite opinions to a moderator....
Just as a quick aside, this hasn't been my experience at all.
I've been on C-D for nearly 5 years and have expressed a difference of opinion with several moderators. Some more than once.
They've each been very fair and managed to keep their personal opinions separate from their moderation duties.
So my point is, I wouldn't hesitate to offer opposite opinions to a moderator.
This issue merits serious study and discussion.
ICBM's were siloed in remote regions of the country with low population densities for public health reasons as well as strategic reasons.
Due to the changes in Western ND (huge population influx, unprecedented drilling/oil related activity, strain on infrastructure, etc.) the advantage has been lost. One national security concern (defense) has been compromised by another national security concern (energy). It seems no one considered the two as, possibly, detrimental to one another.
The situation is a perfect example of poor planning on the local, state, and national levels in response to a new reality.
This issue merits serious study and discussion.
ICBM's were siloed in remote regions of the country with low population densities for public health reasons as well as strategic reasons.
Due to the changes in Western ND (huge population influx, unprecedented drilling/oil related activity, strain on infrastructure, etc.) the advantage has been lost. One national security concern (defense) has been compromised by another national security concern (energy). It seems no one considered the two as, possibly, detrimental to one another.
The situation is a perfect example of poor planning on the local, state, and national levels in response to a new reality.
Probably too late. The changes in population are not going to get the GOV to move missiles and silo's because the area still has one of the lowest densities.
The flip side of the coin, unless we can convince everybody to stop driving their vehicles, the oil industry isn't going away either.
This issue merits serious study and discussion.
ICBM's were siloed in remote regions of the country with low population densities for public health reasons as well as strategic reasons.
Due to the changes in Western ND (huge population influx, unprecedented drilling/oil related activity, strain on infrastructure, etc.) the advantage has been lost. One national security concern (defense) has been compromised by another national security concern (energy). It seems no one considered the two as, possibly, detrimental to one another.
The situation is a perfect example of poor planning on the local, state, and national levels in response to a new reality.
That's not really true. Population was not the primary concern when these locations were picked, geography was. They were placed there because they're close to the northern border, and they're far away from either coast. This was to allow them to be close as possible to the Soviet Union while being protected from sub launched attacks. When the silos use to go farther south there were silos close to larger cities. There used to be ones in Colorado just outside Greeley and near Cheyenne in Wyoming. Trust me, you're not getting in to one. The walls are 9 feet of concrete and there are several layers of blast doors. Those silos were designed to withstand near miss nuclear strikes.
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