High Speed commuter rail line planned between Scranton and Nyc by 2030 (East Stroudsburg: real estate, 2015)

[auntieannie68]

Originally Posted by sci

Why is everyone so gungho to have a train to the city? Do you not also take into consideration that the train will also bring the city out to the Poconos and to Scranton. Yes it will make the commute a lot easier for a lot of people but remember why you chose to move where you did. Most of the people commuting used to live in the NYC area and left for a better less expensive and safer way of life.
Lets fast forward to the time [how every many years you think it will be is up to you] when the train line is finished. Since it is an easy commute to the city house prices rise sharply and many people can no longer afford to live in the area and are forced to relocate somewhere less expensive. Sounds just like whats happening on Long Island and Brooklyn. Your children grow up and cannot find affordable housing so they leave the area. The area becomes stagnant because there is no growth in the area as it has become just a suburb of the city.
Many people have left the metro area searching for a safer place to raise a family. If and when the train comes do you really think that only good hard working people will be on it. Look what is happening in the area out west with the oil booms going on. Overnight town sizes have double or tripled and so have the crime rates. Towns have to scramble to built jail space, hire more officers and hire more personal in general services to handle all the influx of new people. Taxes have to be raised to cover all this and in a hurry.
I would think that if all these people pushing for the train would use their time and money to better the local areas it would be a better outcome for everyone.

well stated

[Gerania]

Originally Posted by sci

Why is everyone so gungho to have a train to the city? Do you not also take into consideration that the train will also bring the city out to the Poconos and to Scranton. Yes it will make the commute a lot easier for a lot of people but remember why you chose to move where you did. Most of the people commuting used to live in the NYC area and left for a better less expensive and safer way of life.
Lets fast forward to the time [how every many years you think it will be is up to you] when the train line is finished. Since it is an easy commute to the city house prices rise sharply and many people can no longer afford to live in the area and are forced to relocate somewhere less expensive. Sounds just like whats happening on Long Island and Brooklyn. Your children grow up and cannot find affordable housing so they leave the area. The area becomes stagnant because there is no growth in the area as it has become just a suburb of the city.
Many people have left the metro area searching for a safer place to raise a family. If and when the train comes do you really think that only good hard working people will be on it. Look what is happening in the area out west with the oil booms going on. Overnight town sizes have double or tripled and so have the crime rates. Towns have to scramble to built jail space, hire more officers and hire more personal in general services to handle all the influx of new people. Taxes have to be raised to cover all this and in a hurry.
I would think that if all these people pushing for the train would use their time and money to better the local areas it would be a better outcome for everyone.

Oh, the scary city people. What on earth did people do when there was passenger train service to the area? Did everyone bolt their doors and cower in fear? Of course a growing population requires more service. Since there are more people, there is more crime and there is more trash.

Scranton will never be an "easy commute" to NYC. Nothing in PA is an easy commute to the city. Priced out of the area? When is that going to happen--2075? I think it would great if property values rise. Maybe then someone will buy the vacant and deteriorating properties all over the area.

[ConfusingRotary]

Originally Posted by sci

The area becomes stagnant because there is no growth in the area as it has become just a suburb of the city.

You .. do realize NEPA has been stagnant for decades, right? Maybe not stagnant, but in a steady decline. I guess you prefer that? Whatever floats your boat.

[Chefkey]

One of challenges of growing the economy in NEPA is the fact that more business means an influx of traffic and the need for an infrastructure to sustain it. The rail service would help alleviate congestion nightmares on the existing roadways here which will be much more difficult to expand than putting in a railway. If we are to succeed at bringing the region forward, infrastructure will need to be maintained at the same pace.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Chefkey

One of challenges of growing the economy in NEPA is the fact that more business means an influx of traffic and the need for an infrastructure to sustain it. The rail service would help alleviate congestion nightmares on the existing roadways here which will be much more difficult to expand than putting in a railway. If we are to succeed at bringing the region forward, infrastructure will need to be maintained at the same pace.

That is the problem in a nutshell. We maintain outdated systems and we only do a poor job of that. We forgot how to build for the future over fifty years ago! You cannot just look at rail service or our Interstate roads - or just PA, NJ or the Watergap Bridge/s. President Eisenhower gave us National leadership that improved our infrastructure and built our Nation. We need leadership because this is an important (key) corridor that does need (long overdue) attention. When was the last time you heard from any National leaders on this subject?

[bobconan]

The problem with this area is the low property values.... Its what attracts the scum.

[pman]

Originally Posted by sci

Why is everyone so gungho to have a train to the city? Do you not also take into consideration that the train will also bring the city out to the Poconos and to Scranton. Yes it will make the commute a lot easier for a lot of people but remember why you chose to move where you did. Most of the people commuting used to live in the NYC area and left for a better less expensive and safer way of life.
Lets fast forward to the time [how every many years you think it will be is up to you] when the train line is finished. Since it is an easy commute to the city house prices rise sharply and many people can no longer afford to live in the area and are forced to relocate somewhere less expensive. Sounds just like whats happening on Long Island and Brooklyn. Your children grow up and cannot find affordable housing so they leave the area. The area becomes stagnant because there is no growth in the area as it has become just a suburb of the city.
Many people have left the metro area searching for a safer place to raise a family. If and when the train comes do you really think that only good hard working people will be on it. Look what is happening in the area out west with the oil booms going on. Overnight town sizes have double or tripled and so have the crime rates. Towns have to scramble to built jail space, hire more officers and hire more personal in general services to handle all the influx of new people. Taxes have to be raised to cover all this and in a hurry.
I would think that if all these people pushing for the train would use their time and money to better the local areas it would be a better outcome for everyone.

scranton used to have train access to nyc, did it destroy scranton then? do you have any proof that trains lead to high crime? did the train line to Philadelphia's main line from the city bring rampant crime?

[ecoscape]

Originally Posted by pman

scranton used to have train access to nyc, did it destroy scranton then? do you have any proof that trains lead to high crime? did the train line to Philadelphia's main line from the city bring rampant crime?

ohh just look at the map and find towns with rail lines in the entire northeast region, I'm mean every single town with rail station is overrun with crime like prostitution, drugs, sex slave trafficking (yes sex slavery exists thanks to railroads)to all kinds of drugs ohh don't forget gangs too

[bobconan]

Originally Posted by ecoscape

ohh just look at the map and find towns with rail lines in the entire northeast region, I'm mean every single town with rail station is overrun with crime like prostitution, drugs, sex slave trafficking (yes sex slavery exists thanks to railroads)to all kinds of drugs ohh don't forget gangs too

The mean streets of Mt Arlington, New Jersey...........

[jtab4994]

Not to mention Hackettstown, Peapack, Gladstone, Millburn, Madison, Morris Plains. LOL

P.S. They just busted a bunch of massage parlors along the I-80 corridor in Monroe County a few weeks ago. And they didn't get there on the train.