12-07-2009, 07:57 AM
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Does anyone remember what day it is? Some of us old coots have memories of the war. I can remember the ration books but not much else, I grew up on a farm and we did not have the blackouts. My husband can remember the blackouts and the block wardens, he grew up in Winchester. I'm sure Normie can chime in with a few memories.
12-07-2009, 09:18 AM
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I was very young, so I barely remember Pearl Habor. Mostly I remember it because of the way my parents and my neighbors reacted to it--they showed us kids how to be healthy and strong. It shaped my attitude as far as realizing that you choose your emotions, and that it's important to find reasons to be positive in hard times, rather than choosing to wallow in fear or depression.
I remember we were going to cut our Christmas Tree right before the announcement hit. And then for about a week after, we didn't feel like putting up a tree. Thought it might be inappropriate. Then mom insisted on it, in fact she insisted we put more effort into decorating than ever before. We came to the realization that it was important to go on with normal life... and also that Christmas decorations were needed . I came to see that the point of hanging up tinsel is to spread a little cheer and keep spirits up during a tough season.
I also learned that life can be just fine even if you don't get everything you want all the time. Even though I was very young, to some degree I was affected by rationing just like everyone else. I developed a lifetime love of taking walks mostly because we had to walk--you couldn't drive much with tires and gas in short supply. We learned how to make it all work, and to be honest I think I benefited from this. It made us creative and resilient.
12-07-2009, 09:27 AM
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Now that I think about it, I guess today is the 68th anniversary of the attack. But I'd never heard of a Pearl Harbor Day until reading your post, Margery.
Was it something that was celebrated/remembered more in the past? Or is it still a big deal in military communities?
12-07-2009, 12:39 PM
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Now that I think about it, I guess today is the 68th anniversary of the attack. But I'd never heard of a Pearl Harbor Day until reading your post, Margery.
Really?????? Wow, that's a staggering thing to realize. Suddenly I feel very old.
Yes, December 7th was called Pearl Harbor Day and was always noted, much like September 11th is noted these days. Over time that will gradually be forgotten, too. People will know that an event happened, but not feel anything in particular on that day. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
12-07-2009, 01:17 PM
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Really?????? Wow, that's a staggering thing to realize. Suddenly I feel very old.
Yes, December 7th was called Pearl Harbor Day and was always noted, much like September 11th is noted these days. Over time that will gradually be forgotten, too. People will know that an event happened, but not feel anything in particular on that day. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
You're young enough to know how to participate in an online forum! My father is in his 60's and wouldn't know where to begin on CD, so you're young in my book
I'm not surprised that people used to commemorate the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think it's probably a good thing that we don't anymore, if only because it makes it easier to work with Japan. It'd be difficult to have a close alliance with a country if every year you had a national holiday remembering their aggressive or devious behavior towards you!
12-07-2009, 01:26 PM
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I'm not surprised that people used to commemorate the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think it's probably a good thing that we don't anymore, if only because it makes it easier to work with Japan. It'd be difficult to have a close alliance with a country if every year you had a national holiday remembering their aggressive or devious behavior towards you!
It wasn't a holiday, just a day where people tended to talk about it a little bit. There were always articles in the paper, and sometimes a civic ceremony. I don't have any Nova memories from the war years but I did happen to be here for the 30th anniversary in 1971. I was here on a business trip, and since I happened to be in town I went to a ceremony in DC. Wow, I remember that like it was yesterday. I remember people talking about how it had been thirty years--and that seemed like such a long time. And I was approaching 40 and felt like I was very old, indeed. Funny how the span between that ceremony and the date of the attack seemed like an eternity, but the same 30-year span since I went to that event and today seems like no time at all.
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12-07-2009, 01:50 PM
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Really?????? Wow, that's a staggering thing to realize. Suddenly I feel very old.
You and me both, and I'm 39! I thought everyone knew about Pearl Harbor Day. (Not a jab at you, Stephen 81 -- it's not your fault if you didn't know about it -- just saying...)
My husband and I had the opportunity to get to know lots of WWII vets and their wives when we lived down in Texas, and we were privileged to hear their stories of Pearl Harbor and the subsequent war. They told us some chilling, harrowing, moving tales. All the more so because they were the ones who'd lived to tell them!
Thanks for the post, Margery. Personally, I think December 7th is indeed a date which should always live in infamy. Everything changed on that day. I don't know how we could forget it.
12-07-2009, 02:46 PM
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I knew Dec. 7 was the day Pearl Harbor was attacked, but I went through the whole day without thinking about it being today. Thanks for the reminder! If I would've thought about it earlier, I would have mentioned it to my third graders in school. Actually, they are young enough that many of them don't realize the significance of Sept. 11. This came up with my 9 year old son the other day here at home. We were watching a show in which NYC was in the background and I commented that the towers are no longer there. He really had no idea why that was.
12-07-2009, 03:11 PM
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For a real life personal accounting of that day go to
http://PearlHarbor.realtown.com . I, too, do not feel we ever should forget this day no matter how long ago it was. I have read many estimates of U.S. dead, from 300,000 to 500,000. Hard to imagine how our parents bore up, after just living through the Great Depression.
12-07-2009, 08:50 PM
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We went to Hawaii a few yrs back and my husband insisted on going to the Pearl Harbor Memorial. Had he not been with me, I would never have gone. We waited in line and I had only mild curiosity about the day. The doors opened and a vet ushered us in and went to the front of the room where he started a movie. It showed a calm warm, sunny day..much like the one the day we were there. Then the bombs hit and all the devastation. At the end of the movie he mentioned he was there that day..obviously a survivor and many of his buddies died.
We went outside and the day to me was like 9/11...gorgeous blue sunny skies. We took a short boat ride over to the USS Arizona, which is still upside down and leaking oil every day. The memorial is above it. People milled about everywhere and I happened to notice a uniformed man come out to the flag post, salute, lower the flag and fold it up, then put up a new one. They do this every few minutes to honor those who died. There was no announcement, no pomp and circumstance...just honor.
It ended up being one of my favorite days in Hawaii. I would go if you are ever there.
Here's to our vets: those who survived that day and others like it. Pearl Harbor memorial made me appreciate the day to remember those who fought back to protect us. Stephen: I'm glad you said something..it is a good reminder to those who don't remember this day. AND-there were many Japanese people at PH shaking their heads at the devastation that was caused. Longer than I anticipated but I really feel strongly about this!
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People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)