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Add Girlzilla to the list of the senseless tattoo-riddled. (out of control teenager)
I hate to take anything away from Hawaii but Atlanta really has it beat - TRAFFIC. I know what they say, I've seen the lists HOWEVER Atlanta seems HUGE and traffic is bad all the way around it. Hawaii traffic may be worse but on a smaller scale. I think the size outweighs.... well, at least you can jump onto side roads that make sense here... Okay, I take it back.
I miss Aloha so bad. (and the beach but that's all) (and my friends....that, too) and sun. I do miss the sun. tan...suntan...
Its 2.50 were i live too, whats amazing is the excuse of why fares need to be so high is the cost of oil. Now that I see other cities and countries fare rates, i ask how can foriegn trans stay open with oil costing so much and lower fares?
Everywhere you go, there's other people there trying to get the same things you are. Competition for space to drive on the roads, space to park, space to live, groceries at the store, etc. etc.
This is so true.
The traffic horror stories keep me from moving out of town. I'll take a 20 minute 4 mile commute over a 20 mile 1.5hr commute any day of the week.
But yes, Aloha is alive and well. And it's hard to beat the ability to get off work, and go surf year round in board shorts till it gets dark.
Its 2.50 were i live too, whats amazing is the excuse of why fares need to be so high is the cost of oil. Now that I see other cities and countries fare rates, i ask how can foriegn trans stay open with oil costing so much and lower fares?
Many foreign countries don't pay US prevailing Union-negotiated wages and benefits. The price of a bus ticket would be lower if we paid the drivers $1.00 / hour with no City Government Pensions and without Medical and other benefits included as well.
So, we either pay a high wage and benefits to drivers with $2.50 per ticket prices, or we can pay low wages with no benefits to drivers and pay less for our ticket prices.
At least that's what I assume makes the biggest difference between many of the countries on the list.
The bus in 2011 took in about $53 million in passenger revenue. It had expenses of about $217 million. Numbers are similar to 2010. The shortfall comes from the state. Asking people who ride the bus to pay a fair share is a good thing.
Does $2.50 really sound expensive though? Seems that would be considered cheap no matter where you are.
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Originally Posted by whtviper1
Is the difference between $1.00 and $2.50 really a make or break? If it is, sounds like one should reevaluate where they live.
As a self-described Five-Percenter, perhaps you are too far removed from the everyday life of average Hawaiians to understand why a $3/day difference in round trip bus fares can have a lot of impact on the people who most depend on public transportation... the retired, the disabled, people who can't drive, and those who work for low wages.
The Hawaiian "double-whammy" hits bus riders too... high prices, like New York or San Francisco, but lower than mainland wages... so it's a touchy point. One of the factors that impacts the livability of a city is the quality of its public transportation system, because it is a significant pain point for a portion of the population.
On the Big Island the bus fares were recently raised to $2 for adults, from formerly being $1. And yes, for some people that has been an issue, so the County Council is considering a proposal to reverse the increase.
Considering only about 5% of commuters use the Bus on Oahu, the number of people affected is marginal at best, and that also means the other 95% are subsidizing it. So, perhaps a thank you from the 5% of transit users is in order.
Many foreign countries don't pay US prevailing Union-negotiated wages and benefits. The price of a bus ticket would be lower if we paid the drivers $1.00 / hour with no City Government Pensions and without Medical and other benefits included as well.
So, we either pay a high wage and benefits to drivers with $2.50 per ticket prices, or we can pay low wages with no benefits to drivers and pay less for our ticket prices.
At least that's what I assume makes the biggest difference between many of the countries on the list.
No argument here, my point was the excuse of the cost of oil to justify a huge fare increase, when in reality the executives and bus drivers of where i live are already one of the highest paid in the country, and wanted another raise.
The bus in 2011 took in about $53 million in passenger revenue. It had expenses of about $217 million. Numbers are similar to 2010. The shortfall comes from the state. Asking people who ride the bus to pay a fair share is a good thing.
Hmm curious how much of the operation expensives are wages for executives and highest paid per hr bus drivers with benifits?
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(and the beach but that's all) (and my friends....that, too) and sun. I do miss the sun. tan...suntan...
. Now that I see other cities and countries fare rates,
i ask how can foriegn trans stay open with oil costing so much and lower fares?
