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Old 08-27-2015, 11:48 AM
 
Location: SF Bay & Diamond Head
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Does any of that water seep into the underground acquifers that supply drinking water ? And if so, does the ground provide a natural filter to clean out the chemicals and pesticides before it enters to aquifers ? Just curious really.

Sort of hoping the rain might have a positive impact of, to some extent, re-filling the underground fresh water acquifers that seem to be slowly depleting.
Pesticide Contamination Of Drinking Water Worries State Health Officials - Civil Beat
I think the contamination is more than reported.
"Scrubbing technology" ? For my water!
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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Hawaii uses the most pesticides in the US.
Care to cite that fact?
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Care to cite that fact?
This makes for a good read regarding the bombardment of pesticides in California

http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/f...-med_87557.pdf

Of course because of the size of Hawaii - a place like California will overall use more gallons of pesticides since you can fit hundreds of Hawaii's in California......

And I'd imagine overall, it is going down since so few pineapples or sugar cane is grown here any longer....

Or,

In Kauai, chemical companies Dow, BASF, Syngenta and DuPont spray 17 times more pesticide per acre (mostly herbicides, along with insecticides and fungicides) than on ordinary cornfields in the US mainland

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...pesticides-gmo

Or,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrea...b_5498415.html

Per-acre usage of chlorpyrifos and permethrin by the chemical+GMO industry on Kauai was top in the nation by a significant amount
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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This makes for a good read regarding the bombardment of pesticides in California

http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/f...-med_87557.pdf

Of course because of the size of Hawaii - a place like California will overall use more gallons of pesticides since you can fit hundreds of Hawaii's in California......

And I'd imagine overall, it is going down since so few pineapples or sugar cane is grown here any longer....

Or,

In Kauai, chemical companies Dow, BASF, Syngenta and DuPont spray 17 times more pesticide per acre (mostly herbicides, along with insecticides and fungicides) than on ordinary cornfields in the US mainland

Pesticides in paradise: Hawaii's spike in birth defects puts focus on GM crops | US news | The Guardian

Or,

Exceptional Volume of Pesticides Used by Chemical Companies in Hawaii*|*Andrea Brower

Per-acre usage of chlorpyrifos and permethrin by the chemical+GMO industry on Kauai was top in the nation by a significant amount
Guardian? Huffington Post? I asked for facts, not extremist-liberal gloom and doom bogus estimates. One article is even prefaced with a statement that says the numbers are bogus (not in those words but anyone intelligent can translate that). You will have extreme stories from the left and the right. The truth lies somewhere in between.

You stated that "brown water" is contaminated by pesticides because Hawaii uses more pesticides than any other place in the nation. That is patently false. The overwhelming majority of storm water run-off contains an imperceptible level of pesticides (i.e. below trace amounts). Now if you want to take a beach at the base of a hill that was once used for cultivation of corn over many decades, yes, there is a good chance there will be TRACE amounts of pesticides in the storm water run-off... but even then it will have absolutely zero impact on peoples' health. When it rains very heavy, water makes it into our wastewater system and this almost guarantees that there will be some untreated sewage making its way into the ocean. That is the concern - raw or partially treated sewage making into swimming spots. Other concerns could be run off from landfills or illegal dumping grounds which can contain heavy metals and other toxic waste that is harmful to humans. There is also a very small threat of becoming ill from the bacteria in feces from our mountainside wildlife. But pesticides don't even rank as a remote concern.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Brown water just isn't sewage - statewide due to the heavy rains, essentially all that water that falls on the mountains has to get down to the ocean at some point - and given Hawaii uses the most pesticides in the US, the water coming down the mountains temporarily gets contaminated.
It's not pesticides, it's waste from feral pigs, cats, and goats
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Guardian? Huffington Post? I asked for facts, not extremist-liberal gloom and doom bogus estimates. One article is even prefaced with a statement that says the numbers are bogus (not in those words but anyone intelligent can translate that). You will have extreme stories from the left and the right.
Happy to review your facts on pesticides in Hawaii (or lack thereof)
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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Happy to review your facts on pesticides in Hawaii (or lack thereof)
Ummm, weren't you the one that stated Hawaii uses the most pesticides in the country? I asked you to back that statement up and you didn't.

Try again.
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Old 08-27-2015, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Ummm, weren't you the one that stated Hawaii uses the most pesticides in the country? I asked you to back that statement up and you didn't.

Try again.
Certainly easy for you to refute then, no? I provided 3 articles - you may not like them - but 3 more than you have provided.
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Old 08-27-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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Certainly easy for you to refute then, no? I provided 3 articles - you may not like them - but 3 more than you have provided.
Not a single one of the 3 articles you linked stated anything about Hawaii being the state with the highest pesticide use in the nation. Not one.

I can provide nonsense too but I try my best to refrain from that (at least most of the time )
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Not a single one of the 3 articles you linked stated anything about Hawaii being the state with the highest pesticide use in the nation. Not one.
No?



Exceptional Volume of Pesticides Used by Chemical Companies in Hawaii*|*Andrea Brower

Per-acre usage of chlorpyrifos and permethrin by the chemical+GMO industry on Kauai was top in the nation by a significant amount



Top in the nation usually - at least for me, means - highest/most.
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