Relocating to Youngstown? (Columbus, Cleveland, Canton: 2013, rental, crime rate)

[000000]

Originally Posted by JR_C

they think anyone else who doesn't share their feelings, are wearing rose colored glasses.

Activists think that anyone who does not agree with them are just being negative and should be shouted down.

Originally Posted by JR_C

Sure, some people share your opinion, but that doesn't make it universal.

Actually, ghetto is a common word that people outside of the area associate with Youngstown.

Originally Posted by warren zee

why are you posting here?

Why does anyone post here? Activism requires getting out from behind the keyboard.

[SoulJourn]

Look at Boardman. Some of it is called Y town, but there's a different school district and a different feel.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by SoulJourn

Look at Boardman. Some of it is called Y town, but there's a different school district and a different feel.

Boardman Township can still mean Ytown schools so you have to be careful.

There's absolutely no reason for anyone to live in the city of Youngstown. The crime rates in the best parts of the city are still above average and the schools are terrible.

If you are going to live in the area and want/need access to downtown/YSU simply move into one of the burbs off the freeway exits. I personally like the southern burbs (Poland, North Lima, Beaver) because you have access to shopping on 224 in Boardman as well as the downtown/YSU combo via 680. Plus you cut off time going to Pittsburgh for events.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Boardman Township can still mean Ytown schools so you have to be careful.

The part of Boardman that is in the YCSD, is the area bounded by I680 to the west, Yo.Poland Rd. to the east, and Woodlawn Ave. to the south.

Also, much of Coitsville Township, and the small part of Campbell, east of Struthers-Coitsville Rd. is in the YCSD.

(AFAIK, you can't link directly to a map with specific layer configurations, or I would have. But, this is an excellent source of information for Mahoning County: Welcome to GIS Mahoning County)

The crime rates in the best parts of the city are still above average

Can you share where you found the neighborhood breakdown of the crime stats?

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by JR_C

The part of Boardman that is in the YCSD, is the area bounded by I680 to the west, Yo.Poland Rd. to the east, and Woodlawn Ave. to the south.

Also, much of Coitsville Township, and the small part of Campbell, east of Struthers-Coitsville Rd. is in the YCSD.

(AFAIK, you can't link directly to a map with specific layer configurations, or I would have. But, this is an excellent source of information for Mahoning County: Welcome to GIS Mahoning County)



Can you share where you found the neighborhood breakdown of the crime stats?

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Kirkmere is the "safest" neighborhood at 5,639. The national average is 3,246. Poland is 886. Canfield is 1,463.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

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Kirkmere is the "safest" neighborhood at 5,639. The national average is 3,246. Poland is 886. Canfield is 1,463.

Thanks for the link. At first glance, I'm not really surprised. It will be interesting to see how neighborhoods compare to other cities. For example, I did have time to compare Schenley (my old neighborhood in Youngstown) with Cleveland's Ohio City, and I see that Schenley's crime index is lower. In fact, FWIW, Schenley's "livability" score is one point higher than Ohio City's.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by JR_C

Thanks for the link. At first glance, I'm not really surprised. It will be interesting to see how neighborhoods compare to other cities. For example, I did have time to compare Schenley (my old neighborhood in Youngstown) with Cleveland's Ohio City, and I see that Schenley's crime index is lower. In fact, FWIW, Schenley's "livability" score is one point higher than Ohio City's.

Schenley was second to Kirkmere in safety at 7,176. That's more than double the national average. The "safe" parts of Ytown only seem "safer" because everyone compares them to the rest of the city. If Schenley and Kirkmere (basically the bulk of the west side) were their own city their crime index would be just about double the national average.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Schenley was second to Kirkmere in safety at 7,176. That's more than double the national average. The "safe" parts of Ytown only seem "safer" because everyone compares them to the rest of the city. If Schenley and Kirkmere (basically the bulk of the west side) were their own city their crime index would be just about double the national average.

My point is that "double the national average" is not uncommon in cities. I'm not comparing Schenley (or other Youngstown neighborhoods) to other Youngstown neighborhoods, but other neighborhoods in other Ohio cities.

Also, that site has a ranking feature, and of all cities in the US over 50k, when ranking worst crime rates, Youngstown comes in at #44. Some notable cities that the site claims to have higher crime rates are: Orlando FL, Salt Lake City, UT, Miami, and Indianapolis.

Don't get me wrong, there's too much crime in Youngstown. But don't lose perspective. If crime is going to deter you from living in a neighborhood like Schenley, then it should deter you from living in many other neighborhoods--some of which are quite popular--in other Ohio cities.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by JR_C

My point is that "double the national average" is not uncommon in cities. I'm not comparing Schenley (or other Youngstown neighborhoods) to other Youngstown neighborhoods, but other neighborhoods in other Ohio cities.

Also, that site has a ranking feature, and of all cities in the US over 50k, when ranking worst crime rates, Youngstown comes in at #44. Some notable cities that the site claims to have higher crime rates are: Orlando FL, Salt Lake City, UT, Miami, and Indianapolis.

Don't get me wrong, there's too much crime in Youngstown. But don't lose perspective. If crime is going to deter you from living in a neighborhood like Schenley, then it should deter you from living in many other neighborhoods--some of which are quite popular--in other Ohio cities.

Youngstown has 65,000 people. It's #532 in population. It isn't 1930 anymore when Ytown peaked at #45 in largest U.S. cities.

You can't compare Youngstown to Salt Lake City or Orlando or Miami.

If I'm living in a neighborhood similar to Schenley in Cleveland, Columbus, or Cincy I have a huge bump in my quality of life due to having access to sports, music, entertainment, arts, etc that Ytown can't touch.

It's delusional to compare Youngstown to cities outside of the 50K to 75K population figure.

I might as well compare Poland to San Diego.

There are 299 cities in the U.S. with a population between 50,000 and 74,999. Youngstown is #286 in crime out of those 299.

Springfield and Canton are actually worse than Ytown so I guess...that's good??? I'm not very familiar with those two cities. They may have parts of their city where crime is average or below.

In any event, holding up Kirkmere as Ytown's best neighborhood with a crime index much higher than the national average is pretty absurd.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by 000000

Actually, ghetto is a common word that people outside of the area associate with Youngstown.

I've lived in 4 states from coast to coast. When people ask me where I'm from I prepare for the look of shock on their faces. They always ask if the reputation is true. All I do is shake my head in the affirmative and say "Hey, what can ya do?"