[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

The Oklahoma County Jail isn't called the state's largest mental health facility for nothing.

Actually OK DOC takes that title.


[quote=Jess5;48961780]

Originally Posted by _redbird_

No one gets thrown in prison for being mentally ill. They have to commit a crime, a felony to be convicted and put in prison.
Sorry, not true. It's a well known fact that many non criminals with a mental illness end up in jail. They are also there longer, generally, and charged more for trumped up fines. And, coincidentally, it's usually the ones with a mental illness who die in jail. If I had a loved one with a mental illness, and he was going into OK. County Jail, I would tell someone at the jail immediately, and that nothing better happen to him/her. They've already had so many deaths there this year, it's disgusting.

LOL. You are preaching to the choir. I worked with the psychologist and the psych clinicians on a daily basis in prison I was also a case manager.

Prison is for when someone who is convicted of a Felony and sentenced to more than one year. That was my response to the post that people are put in prison for being mentally ill. Duh. No, they aren't. They have to be convicted of a felony!

The police don't put someone in prison for simply being mentally ill. You are referring to county jail. The initial contact with police begins with their behavior which cycles. Most homeless mentally ill people are well known to the local police. Does anyone watch that show called "Jail"? That is a good show.

During my last week of work I had an inmate bow up on me because he said I owed him $3 million dollars and a horse. We had a guy try and hit another inmate who was sleeping because he thought the other inmate was hiding a gun in his mouth and was going to shoot him. I've got a million stories.

[Versatile]

Yes they do."
The police don't put someone in prison for simply being mentally ill.

They just make up the charges. The law saying one thing and realty are another. Helps them rationalize the rotten things they do to the mentally ill

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Versatile

Yes they do."
The police don't put someone in prison for simply being mentally ill.

They just make up the charges. The law saying one thing and realty are another. Helps them rationalize the rotten things they do to the mentally ill

One doesn't need to be mentally ill to be arrested. You can have a voice impediment, and the cops will arrest you for public intoxication or DUI.

[StillwaterTownie]

[quote=_redbird_;48987261]Actually OK DOC takes that title.

Originally Posted by Jess5

LOL. You are preaching to the choir. I worked with the psychologist and the psych clinicians on a daily basis in prison I was also a case manager.

Prison is for when someone who is convicted of a Felony and sentenced to more than one year. That was my response to the post that people are put in prison for being mentally ill. Duh. No, they aren't. They have to be convicted of a felony!

The police don't put someone in prison for simply being mentally ill. You are referring to county jail. The initial contact with police begins with their behavior which cycles. Most homeless mentally ill people are well known to the local police. Does anyone watch that show called "Jail"? That is a good show.

During my last week of work I had an inmate bow up on me because he said I owed him $3 million dollars and a horse. We had a guy try and hit another inmate who was sleeping because he thought the other inmate was hiding a gun in his mouth and was going to shoot him. I've got a million stories.

In this case, a mentally ill man was sentenced to life in prison. Yet, he didn't kill anyone. Oh, well, it's probably more costly to make someone a patient for life in an insane asylum.
Mentally Ill Man Gets Life, But Never Got His Day In Court - Sooner Politics.org

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by Crosstimbers Okie

I've been gone from central Oklahoma for the past 14 years. Coming back for visits I've noticed that the downtown area is overran with derelicts. It looks like a mass jail break from a half way house or a minimum security prison. And these are real derelicts, not OU students pretending to be derelicts because their Baby Boomer teachers taught them that being a derelict, sleeping in streets and eating out of garbage cans is cool.

Is there a new city ordinance authorizing deadbeats hanging around as a growth strategy? Maybe it brings in tourism? What's the strategy?

I find your comments about the homeless in Norman and your calling the derelicts to be offensive.

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by Crosstimbers Okie

I agree. I don't see people of compassion taking any of these poor souls under their wing.

Here where I live we help the homeless,a and I volunteer to help as well. I might add, where is your compassion?

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

The Oklahoma County Jail isn't called the state's largest mental health facility for nothing.

Jails and prisons aren't the same thing.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

No one is going to take the homeless under their wings in 2017 .

And there's a good reason for that, it's because primary the homeless today in 2017 are sociopaths and Psychopaths.

The last year when someone could take someone under their wings , were the 1970s .

And I took Penity under my arms by giving them one (1)meal on one (1)day. And by picking up hitchhikers and giving free transit to theirs destination.

And don't ever forget all of the items of warm clothing on a cold winter day , but those days are bygone memories today the homeless are hardcore criminally insane people!!!

BS. True criminal personalities are about 5% of any population. That goes for the mentally ill too. Only about 5% will slit your throat or anal rape you. I bet you throw money into casino slot machines in which you have a .000000000000000000005% chance of winning and think nothing of it.

Where is your compassion?

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

The "nut house" is the reason there are so many 'derelicts' in Norman. During the Keating administration there was a movement away from the concept of keeping the patients in the state mental institutions and attempting to do community treatment instead. I know this because I worked at Griffin during the entire decade of the 1990s and watched the change.

Patients from all over the state are taken to Griffin (Eastern and Western State hospitals have been downsized and specialized as well). They generally have a less than 90 day stay at Griffin before they are turned back out. In many cases they stay around Norman after release. Many times the community services they need to access are far better in Norman than where they are from so some stay for that. Others stay because they are in and out of Griffin fairly frequently so it makes sense to stay in town. Many stay because they meet others in the hospital who will stay and they actually have a peer group.

My ex-wife worked for DHS for many years. She always said that the process of forcing nuts into the community started during the Kennedy administration with federal funding incentives. Perhaps it took 30 years for it to finally come to a head. But hey, that manipulative ***** told all kinds of stories. So maybe Frank Keating really is the Devil.

None of that explains why so many camp out within a short hike to the train depot. Just yesterday afternoon I was in the main public library next to city hall and the police department. Outside of the main entrance was sitting a backpack and bedroll. Inside in the men's restroom the owner was washing his ass birdbath style in one of the two sinks. In the library the Norman PD officer assigned to the library was engrossed in the dual monitors at his workstation. I don't think that the porn he was watching was the dude in the restroom washing his ass.

And this dude was too old to be a millennial OU student, taught by his Baby Boomer professors that it's the height of cultural achievement to wash one's ass in a sink and sleep in a dumpster. He looked like a real burned-out Baby Boomer or an older used-up Generation-Xer.

Where are the people of compassion? That is the riddle I must solve or my quest will never end...

[Crosstimbers Okie]

[quote=Jess5;48961780]

Originally Posted by _redbird_

No one gets thrown in prison for being mentally ill. They have to commit a crime, a felony to be convicted and put in prison.
Sorry, not true. It's a well known fact that many non criminals with a mental illness end up in jail. They are also there longer, generally, and charged more for trumped up fines. And, coincidentally, it's usually the ones with a mental illness who die in jail. If I had a loved one with a mental illness, and he was going into OK. County Jail, I would tell someone at the jail immediately, and that nothing better happen to him/her. They've already had so many deaths there this year, it's disgusting.

I worked in federal prisons for 24 years. Generally, what happens with nuts who won't take their meds is the other inmates get tired of their bull**** and kick their asses. Or they threaten them and force them into protective custody. Then the nuts, already being nuts, get depressed and suicidal, or depressed and stop eating, or depressed and assaultive, or depressed and act out for attention and do crazy things like smear feces all over their cell.

Perhaps, none of that would happen if people of compassion, most of whom already have all of the answers, would each take a couple of them home and provide for their needs--especially their need for attention & entertainment.