Orlando: No.1 in tourism and dead last in wages. Orlando Sentinel (2014, apartment)

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

Proper english is about comfort for the elite. People whos egos are so big they refuse try to understand those who dont speak like them. Language I see your point. There is no CORRECT way to dress. There is a proper way to dress in certain settings. Studying hard doesnt mean a hill of beans when many graduates are guaranteed a job just for having the right parents and attending the right school. Grades dont get you the job, it rarely does. Rich people buy liquor, soda, cigarettes and drugs all the time and they didnt get rich by avoiding soda, liquor and cigerettes. Life skills come from Parents not Schools. Schools are for academics. I hear what you are trying to say, i just dont agree with your rules and forcing people to live a certain way just to make enough to survive on.

No, proper English is what you need in a professional setting. You aren't going to make any deals or make a company trust you if your pants sag to your knees and you say, "what it be you guys want?"

We are talking about jobs and yes there is a proper way to dress, maybe that's why you complain the job market is so terrible if you truly don't believe this.

The reason why Asians make more money in this country than even Whites is because of their strong drive to study and work hard in school and after school, so yes studying hard is important. If you study hard, you can get into top schools and get scholarships, so you may not have any student loan debt.

If you refuse to save money, so you can then invest it whether it's CDs, mutual funds, stocks, annuities, etc then you can only blame yourself at the end of the day. If my parents could come to this country with absolutely nothing, not even knowing English and make it, so can you and your children.

However, if you refuse to teach self accountability or say, well I know a wealthy person who buys cigarettes, therefore why shouldn't I be able to buy cigarettes too, then you will always be poor and complaining.

[bmw335xi]

I would also add that if you are really motivated, it also matters how you present yourself outside of work or job interviews because you never know who you will meet. One of my friends was a server at a restaurant and was eventually recruited by a customer who owns a medical building in the Lake Nona area that was a salary position with full benefits.

I was at my cousin's welcome back party and I ended up talking to one of the guys there. He ended up being the Vice President of a major mortgage brokerage in the Bay Area. He was impressed talking to me that he offered to be my personal mentor.

My point is, you never know who you will meet out and about, so if you present yourself well, you might come across some great opportunities.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by Joey Falcon

Orlando does not have great jobs, and does not attract skilled people who are college-trained. That is not who moves here. Look around you next time you are outside.

This is absolutely not true. All of my friends and family in Orlando are doing from very well, to fantastic.

Several work for Delta & American, one is a software coder for the banking industry, one is a fraud specialist for a large bank. One is a claims adjuster for a major insurance company, and his wife owns her own successful hair salon. One is the office manager for a medical practice, married to the GM of a Fresh Market. There are several that work from home for major companies elsewhere. One is a nurse, married to a Disney exec that worked his way up through the ranks. One is a meeting/event planner at a convention center hotel, his partner is in commercial real estate. I could go on, with many other success stories.

All of these people grew up in Orlando, and are still there by choice. They can afford to and do travel often, but none of them have any desire to live elsewhere.

Painting with an overly broad brush never works, Joey.

[Joey Falcon]

^Well, I never meet anyone who is doing well here. If they are working at all, they work 2 min. wage jobs and have no time for a life.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Joey Falcon

Orlando does not have great jobs, and does not attract skilled people who are college-trained. That is not who moves here. Look around you next time you are outside.

You must be hanging around with the wrong crowd. The majority of my friends are college educated professionals with a household income of over $100K--in many cases over $200K. I'd also say that it's not like I know everyone in the area with a college degree and good job.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

Proper english is about comfort for the elite.

No, it isn't. It's about how the world does business, period.

I see what you are trying to do here, and your agenda is sadly the usual victimization based one.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by Joey Falcon

^Well, I never meet anyone who is doing well here. If they are working at all, they work 2 min. wage jobs and have no time for a life.

Well, something is very wrong if this is your experience. I think annerk hit the nail on the head.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

I think this is the elitist attitude the OP was referring too, blaming the poor for being poor. Annerk you have made these sort of elitist comments before and to a degree sound like a judgmental bully. This is America whether people have no savings or as you call it marketable skills. There is a way for the poor to fight back, but it would take a huge lifestyle change. Most Americans that are quote unquote successful dont earn their success. They are given it or born into it. They very few that did earn it are so resentful by the time they get there, they become judgmental like Annerk here. Fact is Orlando gets brings in A LOT of money that doesn't trinkle down to the PEOPLE of Orlando. How do you plan to fix that Annerk?

I was born poor. Grew up in a working class family. I paid for my own education and made my way in life at the age of 18 with nothing more than a HS diploma in hand. It can be done, and I'm living proof. I wasn't lazy. I worked f/t and went to college, or worked full time and p/t, or even both. At one point I juggled three jobs. I worked in a mall store from 9:00 am until 3:00 pm. Changed and went to my server job at 4:00. Finished there and went to tend bar starting at 10:00 pm on Friday and Saturday and did the 10:00 am to 8:00 pm shift on Monday, which was the day I had off from the other two jobs.

I'm judgmental of lazy people and people who make bad choices. I've earned the right to be so through hard work. If I can do it, so can they. They just have to be willing to do the work. Most aren't. So what should we do? Put them in a cute house with a white picket fence and pay them to live there? Um, I don't think so.

As far as fixing things, I say tell them to either make that lifestyle change or accept their fate.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

By speaking proper English, learning a second language, dressing correctly, studying hard in school, keeping a daily budget, investing and continually adding funds in some balanced mutual funds instead of wasting money buying liquor, soda, cigarettes and/or drugs. However, these are things government cannot force people to do or change. Low income people tend to be some of the biggest buyers of these things. I think schools should teach life skills and by life skills I'm not talking about how to have safe sex, but how to create a budget, the power of compounding interest, simple ways to save money etc.

Some of the best advice I was ever given was regardless of how bad it was, how tight my budget was stretched, save something from every paycheck. I have done that since I was 16. Some weeks it was only $1, but it was something. I agree that spending money on vices is one of the many bad choices I've mentioned.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Sorry, but that's a bit deluded. Orlando in the same league as North/Central NJ and Boston in the biotech field? Not even close and could name a dozen or more cities with better opportunity. The same goes for your comparison points in aerospace. Orlando's hardly a blip on the radar unless you stretch what defines the metro area into Melbourne-Palm Bay.

With the whole medical city coming in I think Orlando is poised to be a major player. Keep in mind that the comparatively low cost of living and having no personal income tax adds considerably to the value of a salary in Orlando.