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Old 05-24-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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If she needs blood drawn, she needs blood drawn. I used to cry and scream bloody murder as a child when I knew I needed shots, but in the end I still had to get them!

Sometimes when you get sick the treatment is unpleasant in order to get better. It's a fact of life that everyone has to learn at some point. Getting blood drawn is not a big deal unless you are panicked and make it into a big deal. If the parent is freaking out, the child will freak out too. I got over my fear of needles because my parents eventually convinced me that it was only a slight poke and if you remain calm you barely feel it. Guess what? They were right.
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Complete Blood Count: The Test

This is just a TINY portion of the available information!

If a patient is having symptoms such as fatigue or weakness or has an infection, inflammation, bruising, or bleeding, then the doctor may order a CBC to help diagnose the cause. Significant increases in WBCs may help confirm that an infection is present and suggest the need for further testing to identify its cause.

IF a doctor decides to order a CBC and IF an infection is indicated...he may (should) have further testing done to DETERMINE whether or not it is viral or bacterial, they will also grow this culture to determine WHAT the bacteria or virus is. The CBC will determine that there IS an infection.....not WHAT the infection is.
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Boy, now I really believe you are a doctor.
I may not be a doctor, but at least i know what is a shift to the left and s shift to the right on a CBC...
Do you??
Stan is a doctor, and there are many other real health care workers on here, and I mean, you know real hands on. By the way, you are making a fool of yourself. If you are talking about the old-school belief that "left shift" indicated a more severe infection, and was therefore considered to be bacterial, then that is an extremely simplistic diagnostic, and not reliable. CBC may be used as a tool along with many other diagnostic criteria, but a white cell count on it's own means nothing.
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Stan is a doctor, and there are many other real health care workers on here, and I mean, you know real hands on. By the way, you are making a fool of yourself. If you are talking about the old-school belief that "left shift" indicated a more severe infection, and was therefore considered to be bacterial, then that is an extremely simplistic diagnostic, and not reliable. CBC may be used as a tool along with many other diagnostic criteria, but a white cell count on it's own means nothing.
OR a whole LOTTA something going really wrong....
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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Complete Blood Count: The Test

This is just a TINY portion of the available information!

If a patient is having symptoms such as fatigue or weakness or has an infection, inflammation, bruising, or bleeding, then the doctor may order a CBC to help diagnose the cause. Significant increases in WBCs may help confirm that an infection is present and suggest the need for further testing to identify its cause.

IF a doctor decides to order a CBC and IF an infection is indicated...he may (should) have further testing done to DETERMINE whether or not it is viral or bacterial, they will also grow this culture to determine WHAT the bacteria or virus is. The CBC will determine that there IS an infection.....not WHAT the infection is.
You dont do a virus culture...
that is how much you know about the subject...

Another that doesnt know left shift and right shift of a CBC.
Viral vs. bacterial with help of the CBC - base
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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OR a whole LOTTA something going really wrong....
But the poster was stating you could distinguish between a viral or bacterial illness based on the CBC. In isolation, that is not true, you would need an examination, etc. I'm assuming you were referring to other hematological issues?
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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Stan is a doctor, and there are many other real health care workers on here, and I mean, you know real hands on. By the way, you are making a fool of yourself. If you are talking about the old-school belief that "left shift" indicated a more severe infection, and was therefore considered to be bacterial, then that is an extremely simplistic diagnostic, and not reliable. CBC may be used as a tool along with many other diagnostic criteria, but a white cell count on it's own means nothing.
If you say so...

Complete Blood Count: Test Sample
There are five different types of WBCs that the body uses to maintain a healthy state and to fight infections or other causes of injury. They are neutrophils, lymphocytes, basophils, eosinophils, and monocytes. They are present in the blood at relatively stable percentages. These numbers may temporarily shift higher or lower depending on what is going on in the body. For instance, an infection can stimulate a higher concentration of neutrophils (a “shift to the left”) to fight off bacterial infection. With allergies, there may be an increased number of eosinophils that release certain chemicals (anti-histamines) that minimize the allergic effect. Lymphocytes may be stimulated to produce immunoglobulins (antibodies). And in certain disease states, such as leukemia, abnormal and immature white cells (blasts) rapidly multiply, increasing the WBC count.

A CBC alone will not be the definite test, but is a vital test to come the the conclusion.
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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You dont do a virus culture...
that is how much you know about the subject...

Another that doesnt know left shift and right shift of a CBC.
Viral vs. bacterial with help of the CBC - base
Diagnostic Methods in Virology, Virological Methods, Virus Culture, Virus Isolation

Read on....

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Old 05-24-2011, 01:31 PM
 
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Based on a CBC, no, but you can't tell me that it is a vital part to finding out if it is or not..
Also there is already a post that someone said they used the test to find out if it was a virus or a bacteria
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