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Odd. I don't know one single parent who thinks science is an evil conspiracy to hurt their kids. Nope. Can't think of a one.
Seriously?
Anyone who turns away from the quantitative and in-depth and exhaustive peer reviewed studies on vaccinations, and even disciplined cry it out. . .instead say things like "its been that way for 100's of years, so it must be okay" or "I have seen a lot of kids, and they all had vaccines"
They have turned away from science.
Anyone who believes that all authorities (hospitals, doctors, cdc, etc) are in some evil conspiracy to vaccination your kids and give them autism. . .has turned away from science and believes in a big evil conspiracy.
I'm not sure what the conspiracy is for cry-it-out other than fallible human reason must be smarter than research.
Glad you bought up that thread. I hope people will read it, the threat to women's right to privacy regarding their personal medical decisions is indeed an important topic.
Abortion is not a "personal medical decision": it kills babies and scars women for life. But that's OK with you, unlike spanking which is cruel and inexcusable.
And you don't grasp my reasoning?
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I still don't understand why training via slapping and entrapping your child is okay, yet you have the heebeejeebies about parents training their children to soothe themselves to sleep.
What is it with your weird obsession with "entrapment"? Toddlers will disobey. Establishing a controlled situation, where a toddler's self-will can be managed without danger or anger, is only "entrapment" if you think of toddlers as criminals, and a slap on the hand or a swat on the bottom as a prison sentence.
Discipline is an expression of love and is good for the child. CIO is not discipline, at least not the kind of discipline the child understands. It's just a terrifying void. It's very important to realize that the physical pain of spanking (not much pain is needed at two years old) is in a rational and comprehensible context with lots of communication. The child understands what is happening, why it is happening, and how to behave so that it doesn't happen again. Additionally it's in the context of a relationship: it's personal. With CIO, on the other hand, there is no "there" there, no relationship, no possibility of communication or understanding, just a feeling of abandonment, confusion and emptiness.
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Nonsense. You don't abandon your kids with CIO. With some techniques, you go in and pat them every 5 or 10 minutes. That just fired our kids up and made them scream louder. So we learned to stay out of their room and just call to them in a gentle voice "your o.k. sweet boy. It's time to go to sleep. Calm down." And after a while, they did calm down and go to sleep. Within a few days they were sleeping through the night, no issues what-so-ever.
Nonsense. You don't abandon your kids with CIO. With some techniques, you go in and pat them every 5 or 10 minutes. That just fired our kids up and made them scream louder. So we learned to stay out of their room and just call to them in a gentle voice "your o.k. sweet boy. It's time to go to sleep. Calm down." And after a while, they did calm down and go to sleep. Within a few days they were sleeping through the night, no issues what-so-ever.
Well, like anything else, CIO comes in degrees. I'm thinking of parents who have adopted a CIO philosophy from infancy, where CIO happens multiple times every day for many months. What you describe doesn't sound harmful for purposes of sleeping through the night (but in my opinion babies are meant to sleep with their mamas!), especially if it's over in a few days and the child understands what is going on.
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Well, like anything else, CIO comes in degrees. I'm thinking of parents who have adopted a CIO philosophy from infancy, where CIO happens multiple times every day for many months. What you describe doesn't sound harmful for purposes of sleeping through the night (but in my opinion babies are meant to sleep with their mamas!).
With all due respect, and I'm sure there are some parents somewhere who try to let their 1 month old cry to sleep, what you are describing isn't CIO. CIO is not recommended under 6 months of age, and should not be necessary for months on end - the longest time frame I've seen in the literature is about two weeks before the child learns to soothe him/herself to sleep with minimal to no fuss, and that is with gradual intervals of the parent soothing the child every few minutes to less frequent soothing. I would agree with the scenario you described as being undesirable. It's just not any kind of recognized CIO.
It's very important to realize that the physical pain of spanking (not much pain is needed at two years old) is in a rational and comprehensible context with lots of communication. The child understands what is happening, why it is happening, and how to behave so that it doesn't happen again. Additionally it's in the context of a relationship: it's personal.
You have got to be freaking kidding me! Please do tell from where you gleaned this pearl of wisdom, the Warren Jeffs Parenting Handbook?
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