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Old 09-14-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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I want you to look at the graph you posted in post #78, do you even know what you're looking at? You certainly would not have posted it if your intention is to bolster your argument. You see the the 2010/2011 they are attributing to Corbett, that's not Corbett's budget, he didn;t take office until 2011. How can you attribute a budget to someone who wasn't even in office? It's Rendell's, of course being mislead should come as no surprise since the apparent source is from a Democratic politician. What? did you think I wasn't going to look up the source?

You see the blue area where it says state funds? That's the states contribution to education. See how it increased in the last three years? Those are the only three budgets Corbett is responsible for. He increased the states contribution to education for every budget he was responsible for.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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If you have questions about the graph in post #78, look at the original source and read the blog post. Your blind allegiance to Corbett is downright silly.

  • For starters, it takes into account only one line-item in the overall budget for education: “Basic Education Funding,” which represents the bulk of education spending but by no means all of it. In 2011, Corbett also made cuts to five other grant programs, including roughly $300 million from two tutoring programs for at-risk students and $224 million from a fund to reimburse school districts for charter school payments. (Since the majority of charters are located in Philadelphia, this meant a drastically disproportionate cut to the Philadelphia School District’s budget — roughly $220 million in 2011.)
  • Those figures alone suggest that Corbett at the most flat-lined education funding; but costs rise due to inflation and and flat-lined spending over four years is in fact a decrease in spending over cost.
  • Even as spending decreases in proportion to cost, it’s decreased in proportion to revenue as well: Pennsylvania brings in significantly more revenue that it did during 2008, the year Corbett’s defenders compare to spending under his governorship. In 2008, Pennsylvania collected $52 billion in revenue; in 2011, the year education cuts were approved, that revenue was up by $4 billion (that’s not counting $4.3 billion in stimulus money). Last year, the state raised $58 billion. In other words, Pennsylvania is spending less in state money on education both in real dollars as well as in proportion to its revenue.
  • The amount being spent on education under Corbett decreases even more when assessed in terms of “classroom spending,” — dollars going directly to student programming.
  • Much of the purported “increase” in spending under Corbett was due to a legally-mandated increase of roughly $100 million in state payments to the teachers pension fund to make up for a large deficit.
Reality Check: Corbett and public education funding | AxisPhilly
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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And upon further inspection in FY 2010/11 they have "Accountabilty block grants" counted as state funding. That's federal funding. The states contribution to education has increased each and every year under Corbett, that's what you graph says. LOL
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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FYI, let's not forget this:

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Old 09-17-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Coalman

If you have questions about the graph in post #78, look at the original source and read the blog post. Your blind allegiance to Corbett is downright silly.

  • For starters, it takes into account only one line-item in the overall budget for education: “Basic Education Funding,” which represents the bulk of education spending but by no means all of it. In 2011, Corbett also made cuts to five other grant programs, including roughly $300 million from two tutoring programs for at-risk students and $224 million from a fund to reimburse school districts for charter school payments. (Since the majority of charters are located in Philadelphia, this meant a drastically disproportionate cut to the Philadelphia School District’s budget — roughly $220 million in 2011.)
  • Those figures alone suggest that Corbett at the most flat-lined education funding; but costs rise due to inflation and and flat-lined spending over four years is in fact a decrease in spending over cost.
  • Even as spending decreases in proportion to cost, it’s decreased in proportion to revenue as well: Pennsylvania brings in significantly more revenue that it did during 2008, the year Corbett’s defenders compare to spending under his governorship. In 2008, Pennsylvania collected $52 billion in revenue; in 2011, the year education cuts were approved, that revenue was up by $4 billion (that’s not counting $4.3 billion in stimulus money). Last year, the state raised $58 billion. In other words, Pennsylvania is spending less in state money on education both in real dollars as well as in proportion to its revenue.
  • The amount being spent on education under Corbett decreases even more when assessed in terms of “classroom spending,” — dollars going directly to student programming.
  • Much of the purported “increase” in spending under Corbett was due to a legally-mandated increase of roughly $100 million in state payments to the teachers pension fund to make up for a large deficit.
Reality Check: Corbett and public education funding | AxisPhilly
this is somewhat interesting but not exactly a complete view. where did the state money go from the increased revenue? did it go to other services or is it going to obligations rather than services? the problem in Philadelphia is that a decreasing proportion of the budget is used to fund actual services of any kind with the difference funding debt service as well as health and retirement benefits. I'd also point out that although revenue has flat lined, blaming "inflation" for teh cuts to actual education is a bit misleading. I'd wager that most of the cost increases in education itself are health and pension benefit increases (Philadelphia teachers inexcusably pay nothing for their healthcare). all that being said, he hasn't been a leader in this area. there has been no charter reform bill, he hasn't been active in restructuring funding, etc.
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